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<blockquote data-quote="erucsbo" data-source="post: 2957368" data-attributes="member: 40110">I don't read it that way.The SRD said that it can't pass through &quot;an object with a space is larger than its own&quot;.&quot;Space&quot; has a special meaning in d20.An incorporeal being could pass through a 5' wall, but not a 10' one (unless it was a Large incorporeal being).Also it &quot;must remain adjacent to the object’s exterior&quot; which means that as long as any space that they wish to move to contains or borders a point external to the object that is in contiguous contact to an external point in the space that they are moving from then they are OK.In case the above is not clear - a medium incorporeal creature could not pass diagonally through a 10' by 10' object even though the space they are moving from and the space they are moving to are adjacent to the exterior of the object because those external interfaces are not contiguous. They could however go up one side then turn 90 degrees and go along another edge even if it was impossible to corporeally go around the object, as the mid point would enable it to &quot;swap&quot; which exterior surface it was adjacent to.I've attached an image showing OK paths (in green) and not OK path (in red). The red path won't work because the creature can't reach the other surface without &quot;letting go&quot; of the first. Both green routes enable the other external surface to be &quot;reached&quot; without forgoing the original surface. (the grey squares are solid, the white background is open space)ps - note that in WLD that the walls (and doors - at least in region E) prevent passage through them, otherwise it would be a pretty ineffective prison for incorporeal creatures (unless all walls AND DOORS were 10' thick for medium size captives and bigger for larger creatures).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="erucsbo, post: 2957368, member: 40110"] I don't read it that way. The SRD said that it can't pass through "an object with a space is larger than its own". "Space" has a special meaning in d20. An incorporeal being could pass through a 5' wall, but not a 10' one (unless it was a Large incorporeal being). Also it "must remain adjacent to the object’s exterior" which means that as long as any space that they wish to move to contains or borders a point external to the object that is in contiguous contact to an external point in the space that they are moving from then they are OK. In case the above is not clear - a medium incorporeal creature could not pass diagonally through a 10' by 10' object even though the space they are moving from and the space they are moving to are adjacent to the exterior of the object because those external interfaces are not contiguous. They could however go up one side then turn 90 degrees and go along another edge even if it was impossible to corporeally go around the object, as the mid point would enable it to "swap" which exterior surface it was adjacent to. I've attached an image showing OK paths (in green) and not OK path (in red). The red path won't work because the creature can't reach the other surface without "letting go" of the first. Both green routes enable the other external surface to be "reached" without forgoing the original surface. (the grey squares are solid, the white background is open space) ps - note that in WLD that the walls (and doors - at least in region E) prevent passage through them, otherwise it would be a pretty ineffective prison for incorporeal creatures (unless all walls AND DOORS were 10' thick for medium size captives and bigger for larger creatures). [/QUOTE]

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