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<blockquote data-quote="lewpuls" data-source="post: 7761388" data-attributes="member: 30518"><p>Part 2. Continuing to describe the “<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?5652-Worlds-of-Design-%93All-About-Me%94-RPGs-(Part-1)" target="_blank">All About Me</a>” style, and asking why it’s popular. It has to do with player (not character) backgrounds, certainly. Is it generational in some way?[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]</p><p></p><p> <p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH]102060[/ATTACH]</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p> <p style="text-align: center">Photo by <a href="https://unsplash.com/photos/8yCmQODY2SY?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText" target="_blank">Hello I'm Nik</a> on <a href="https://unsplash.com/search/photos/rpg-miniature?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText" target="_blank">Unsplash</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p> </p><p> Last time I talked about the “All About Me” RPG style, and how it differed so drastically from the semi-military style I’ve always been accustomed to. I’ve been trying to compare the two, to describe rather than prescribe, though it’s obvious which style I prefer.</p><p> </p><p> Another element of this style seems to be a lot of what I would call wacky ideas that the GM is supposed to take seriously. I recall one group where the player/character wanted to throw an old-fashioned wood-burning oven (they are remarkably heavy) a hundred yards, and expected to be given a reasonable chance to do it (as in, a 20 on a d20). I would have simply said “that’s impossible,” but that might not satisfy the “All About Me” crowd.</p><p> </p><p> I occasionally wonder how one could encourage such players to play the more semi-military/mercenary style. Probably the first thing to do would be to impress upon the players before they joined the group that this was the kind of game we were going to play, that you had to be on your toes and cooperate or you were going to die. Of course, if someone accustomed to the “All About Me” style comes into an existing game with people playing, shall we say, more seriously, they would probably learn to conform pretty quickly; it’s when you start out with an entire group of new people (new to your style of GMing) that things can go wrong quite quickly.</p><p> </p><p> I remember particularly the case of one player who attempted to do something, where the GM warned him that it was dangerous and it might result in his head exploding. Yeah sure, he said, and did it anyway. And his head exploded! But in less than a minute a fully formed version of himself walked out of a nearby building, some kind of special power that he had even though these <em>characters </em>had not been playing for more than about five sessions.</p><p> </p><p> Use of this style is mostly a GM-player thing, but rules can contribute one way or the other. Rules that allow for a great deal of customization, and for wildly neurotic characters who are nonetheless supposed to be functional, encourage “All About Me”.</p><p></p><p> Why is this style popular?</p><p> </p><p> An obvious point is that the great majority of players are not wargamers, and may not be gamers at all, that is, they’re not accustomed to leisure activities where you can lose. When you cannot lose in an RPG, that is, you cannot die (and not come back), then individualism is easy to express and adopt; when you CAN lose, cooperation is more natural. Single player computer RPGs with their respawning and save games are part of the “cannot lose” mentality (far more people play computer RPGs than tabletop RPGs).</p><p> </p><p> The ultimate question of the game is one often asked of people throughout history: what is more important, the individual or the group? In difficult times, such as World War I or WW II, cooperation was at a premium, which tended to make the group more important than the individual. More recently, in the “safer” post-Cold War environments, the emphasis tends to be on individuals. Individuals are what “All About Me” is, well, about.</p><p> </p><p> Though some people still doubt it, there are clear differences between generational behavior, as discussed in many books. People of the World War II generation naturally cooperated, because of their experiences in a very difficult situation. And each generation since then has behaved differently as their shared experiences have been different. Corporations have hired consultants to help them cope with the newer generation’s tendencies and preferences.</p><p> </p><p> Maybe it’s natural for younger people of any generation to play this way. I don’t know, I was 25 when I started playing, and my first game involved meeting dozens of humanoid monsters in dungeon corridors, where only cooperation could allow survival.</p><p> </p><p> I also understand military history quite well. So the “All About Me” style never occurred to me. As always, this is descriptive, not prescriptive. YMMV.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><em>This article was contributed by Lewis Pulsipher (<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/list.php?author/30518-lewpuls" target="_blank">lewpuls</a>) as part of EN World's Columnist (ENWC) program. You can follow Lew on his <a href="http://www.pulsiphergames.com" target="_blank">web site</a> and his <a href="https://www.udemy.com/user/drlewispulsipher/" target="_blank">Udemy course landing page</a>. We are always on the lookout for freelance columnists! If you have a pitch, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/ensider/columnists.html" target="_blank">please contact us</a>!</em></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lewpuls, post: 7761388, member: 30518"] Part 2. Continuing to describe the “[URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?5652-Worlds-of-Design-%93All-About-Me%94-RPGs-(Part-1)"]All About Me[/URL]” style, and asking why it’s popular. It has to do with player (not character) backgrounds, certainly. Is it generational in some way?[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK] [CENTER][ATTACH=CONFIG]102060[/ATTACH] [/CENTER] [CENTER]Photo by [URL="https://unsplash.com/photos/8yCmQODY2SY?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText"]Hello I'm Nik[/URL] on [URL="https://unsplash.com/search/photos/rpg-miniature?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText"]Unsplash[/URL] [/CENTER] Last time I talked about the “All About Me” RPG style, and how it differed so drastically from the semi-military style I’ve always been accustomed to. I’ve been trying to compare the two, to describe rather than prescribe, though it’s obvious which style I prefer. Another element of this style seems to be a lot of what I would call wacky ideas that the GM is supposed to take seriously. I recall one group where the player/character wanted to throw an old-fashioned wood-burning oven (they are remarkably heavy) a hundred yards, and expected to be given a reasonable chance to do it (as in, a 20 on a d20). I would have simply said “that’s impossible,” but that might not satisfy the “All About Me” crowd. I occasionally wonder how one could encourage such players to play the more semi-military/mercenary style. Probably the first thing to do would be to impress upon the players before they joined the group that this was the kind of game we were going to play, that you had to be on your toes and cooperate or you were going to die. Of course, if someone accustomed to the “All About Me” style comes into an existing game with people playing, shall we say, more seriously, they would probably learn to conform pretty quickly; it’s when you start out with an entire group of new people (new to your style of GMing) that things can go wrong quite quickly. I remember particularly the case of one player who attempted to do something, where the GM warned him that it was dangerous and it might result in his head exploding. Yeah sure, he said, and did it anyway. And his head exploded! But in less than a minute a fully formed version of himself walked out of a nearby building, some kind of special power that he had even though these [I]characters [/I]had not been playing for more than about five sessions. Use of this style is mostly a GM-player thing, but rules can contribute one way or the other. Rules that allow for a great deal of customization, and for wildly neurotic characters who are nonetheless supposed to be functional, encourage “All About Me”. Why is this style popular? An obvious point is that the great majority of players are not wargamers, and may not be gamers at all, that is, they’re not accustomed to leisure activities where you can lose. When you cannot lose in an RPG, that is, you cannot die (and not come back), then individualism is easy to express and adopt; when you CAN lose, cooperation is more natural. Single player computer RPGs with their respawning and save games are part of the “cannot lose” mentality (far more people play computer RPGs than tabletop RPGs). The ultimate question of the game is one often asked of people throughout history: what is more important, the individual or the group? In difficult times, such as World War I or WW II, cooperation was at a premium, which tended to make the group more important than the individual. More recently, in the “safer” post-Cold War environments, the emphasis tends to be on individuals. Individuals are what “All About Me” is, well, about. Though some people still doubt it, there are clear differences between generational behavior, as discussed in many books. People of the World War II generation naturally cooperated, because of their experiences in a very difficult situation. And each generation since then has behaved differently as their shared experiences have been different. Corporations have hired consultants to help them cope with the newer generation’s tendencies and preferences. Maybe it’s natural for younger people of any generation to play this way. I don’t know, I was 25 when I started playing, and my first game involved meeting dozens of humanoid monsters in dungeon corridors, where only cooperation could allow survival. I also understand military history quite well. So the “All About Me” style never occurred to me. As always, this is descriptive, not prescriptive. YMMV. [COLOR=#3E3E3E][COLOR=#3E3E3E][I]This article was contributed by Lewis Pulsipher ([URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/list.php?author/30518-lewpuls"]lewpuls[/URL]) as part of EN World's Columnist (ENWC) program. You can follow Lew on his [URL="http://www.pulsiphergames.com"]web site[/URL] and his [URL="https://www.udemy.com/user/drlewispulsipher/"]Udemy course landing page[/URL]. We are always on the lookout for freelance columnists! If you have a pitch, [URL="http://www.enworld.org/ensider/columnists.html"]please contact us[/URL]![/I][/COLOR][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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