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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Doctor Futurity" data-source="post: 7761462" data-attributes="member: 10738">First....not my argument, I ain't gonna defend it =)Second.....there's a lot missing from the OP's presentation. It's one thing in my mind if I say we're playing Mutants & Masterminds and the guy wants to flip the stove, totally different if they're playing GURPS. So while I might meander in my musings, I am totally on the side of "I don't quite get the comparison." But assuming that expectations were set before the game started (or in the course of the first game).....I would be surprised if this conflict ever came up.That said, I have met the occasional oddball who has a loose grasp on reality in the many decades I have gamed, but an occasional oddball does not equal a genre type unto itself.(Noting that....let's say its a really new player, and his only prior gaming was in a farcial D&D session where the DM let them do things like heft up half-ton objects and chuck them. I'm thinking that the DM ought to realize that the player may be new to the whole experience of gaming and is now broadening his tastes. I would interpret this scenario very differently if it was a veteran player who was making assumptions about what he could do, however; as a player, I might ask, "Hey, can I lift this and throw it?" but I would expect the DM to either say yes or no and abide by that. I am under the impression from the OP he has had at least one encounter where the person did no abide his decision and then argued he deserved a chance, regardless, to accomplish something established as not possible. I don't know. I really feel like I'm wasting a lot of thought on a essay that wasn't properly developed for consumption, is how I feel.)(EDIT 2: And question to Elfcrusher....so the question is, if you as player are confronted with a DM who says, "that's not physically possible," but otherwise turns down the attempt with presumed grace....are you okay with that? I guess that's worth establishing.....I understand the idea that someone may have preconceptions going in to a game, but when those are revealed to be incorrect, the question then is whether the player adapts to the game, or the game is now required to adapt to the player.)</blockquote>

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