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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dragoner" data-source="post: 7766594" data-attributes="member: 6943731">I was also playing Diplomacy in Chess club in the late 70's, so a little younger than the OP, I never said I hated dice games though; we were heavy war-gamers with Squad Leader etc., which also had dice. We did sort of look down on RPG's early on, which was wrong, and regrettable now.My feeling about dice in general, is that the are a good randomizer, esp when you are used to counting odds.Diceless games are cool, though it seems that with many that work off of points, there develops a "point economy" which is back to counting odds at least.</blockquote>