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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7768479" data-attributes="member: 29398">Not all the risk vanished, though: you still had to make that resurrection survival roll and even if you did you still came back down a point of constitution - and note that both of these drawbacks to death have disappeared from the game over the years, further supporting the point the article is trying to make.  Raise Dead cost a lot too, and Resurrection even more.And Raise in the field took having a 9th-level Cleric in the party, which is pretty late-game for 1e.At automatic chance of success and at much lower cost.So, Trauma here replaces Sanity in CoC? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Damn right we wouldn't! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  If I ever get to the point of having to say "Joe, can I please have permission to kill off your character?" then I'm doing it wrong on a host of levels right from square one - and Joe's probably in the wrong game, too.Yet as you yourself note, there's much more to danger than simple death.  Level loss is gone.  Magic item destruction is gone, or close enough.  Limb loss is either gone or close to gone.  Most save-or-dies are gone, along with many save-or-hosed; and those save-or-hosed that remain have been greatly mitigated in duration and-or severity.There's just no denying that dangers in most NS games are less than in OS games. Chance of failure isn't a factor - 50-50 odds, for example, are the same in any system.But what's become different is what a failure represents, and how the roll is interpreted.What it represents: In OS, a failure usually means 'no, you can't do it', whatever it was you were trying to do.  You don't climb the wall.  You don't find the secret door.  You don't talk your way past the guards.  You don't find the princess before her kidnappers kill her off. (as a side note, this is what 'failure' means - the opposite of success)In NS, a failure quite often in fact means success (and is thus the wrong term to use) but with a complication.  You climb the wall but there's a guard at the top waiting for you.  You find the secret door because a monster comes out of it.  You talk your way past the guards but one is suspicious and runs to inform her boss.  You find the princess but she's been horribly disfigured. (note: none of these are actual failures!)How the roll is interpreted:In OS, in cases where success or failure is not necessarily a binary condition, many DMs would interpret rolls such that a narrowly-made success might end up with what we'd now call a fail-forward.  For example, if you're trying to climb a wall and need to roll 11 to make it, on 10 or less you fail outright but on 11 or 12 - a narrow success - a DM might say you made it but there's a problem - you were too noisy, or you took longer than expected, or whatever.  Failure was never mitigated, but success sometimes was.In NS it's the reverse: success is never mitigated, but failure often is.</blockquote>

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