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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7768488" data-attributes="member: 20564">Only if you completely ignore the part where I said &quot;the GM reworks failures that would stop a game cold&quot;.&nbsp; During non-story-stopping failures, it's just good old normal failure.&nbsp; You fail.&nbsp; That's for playing, you don't even get a consolation prize.For something that stops the game cold, there is still a heavy penalty for failure, it's just that the failure hits the characters in another way.&nbsp; Maybe it takes too long and the princess IS sacrificed to the summon the demon, and now the story is dealing that that.&nbsp; Still a failure, just one that will move a story forward in an interesting way.So let's try this again.&nbsp; Failure STILL EQUALS failure.&nbsp; Always.&nbsp; Just that if it would end up being a boring failure that stops play, it's turned into an interesting failure that continues.&nbsp; That failure might even be worse, it's not coddling.&nbsp; It's just got to be interesting.True, many systems still use the old school paradigm of combat for XP system.&nbsp; Though it's an interesting take on risk that your default position that a combat encounter only ends up in XP and loot.&nbsp; That may be where your idea of real failure may not be possible is coming from - DMs who are coddling.&nbsp; And that happens in old school and new school games.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7768488, member: 20564"] Only if you completely ignore the part where I said "the GM reworks failures that would stop a game cold". During non-story-stopping failures, it's just good old normal failure. You fail. That's for playing, you don't even get a consolation prize. For something that stops the game cold, there is still a heavy penalty for failure, it's just that the failure hits the characters in another way. Maybe it takes too long and the princess IS sacrificed to the summon the demon, and now the story is dealing that that. Still a failure, just one that will move a story forward in an interesting way. So let's try this again. Failure STILL EQUALS failure. Always. Just that if it would end up being a boring failure that stops play, it's turned into an interesting failure that continues. That failure [I]might even be worse[/I], it's not coddling. It's just got to be [I][B]interesting.[/B][/I] True, many systems still use the old school paradigm of combat for XP system. Though it's an interesting take on risk that your default position that a combat encounter only ends up in XP and loot. That may be where your idea of real failure may not be possible is coming from - DMs who are coddling. And that happens in old school and new school games. [/QUOTE]

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