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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7768688" data-attributes="member: 5142">I didn't say or suggest that character survival was the number one goal; I said that player victory was. As I said before, I suspect that it is an issue of framing. But I don't believe that the whole &quot;story is greater than character&quot; spiel comellingly fits the bill for describing notions of Old School gaming. It describes your preferences certainly, but likely not the early generation as a whole of gaming. Which does not seem uniquely distinct from how games are played now, which would further require a different explanation for OS games other than &quot;the story is bigger than the characters.&quot; And many homebrew OS games were run built around certain characters. I also do not like how this framing implies in its uniqueness that in New School games that the story is subordinate to or less than the characters. On the whole, other explanations are required to describe the difference.&nbsp; [MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION] offered a fairly compelling alternative, namely that the kernals for numerous modes of gaming were present from the beginning. The proliferation of games with a range of niches since that time have drawn attention to those differences. And &quot;New School&quot; games may favor and expand upon a subset of those early kernals. The OSR movement is clearly attempting to bring something back in at least spirit, but even &quot;OS emulators&quot; seem divided over what that essential substance entails.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7768688, member: 5142"] I didn't say or suggest that character survival was the number one goal; I said that player victory was. As I said before, I suspect that it is an issue of framing. But I don't believe that the whole "story is greater than character" spiel comellingly fits the bill for describing notions of Old School gaming. It describes your preferences certainly, but likely not the early generation as a whole of gaming. Which does not seem uniquely distinct from how games are played now, which would further require a different explanation for OS games other than "the story is bigger than the characters." And many homebrew OS games were run built around certain characters. I also do not like how this framing implies in its uniqueness that in New School games that the story is subordinate to or less than the characters. On the whole, other explanations are required to describe the difference. [MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION] offered a fairly compelling alternative, namely that the kernals for numerous modes of gaming were present from the beginning. The proliferation of games with a range of niches since that time have drawn attention to those differences. And "New School" games may favor and expand upon a subset of those early kernals. The OSR movement is clearly attempting to bring something back in at least spirit, but even "OS emulators" seem divided over what that essential substance entails. [/QUOTE]

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