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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7768745" data-attributes="member: 6775031">People make self-less sacrifices all the time, in real life, so that's not un-realistic or anything. But they make sacrifices for things that matter to them, like the well-being of others, or principles like honor. As mentioned much earlier in this thread, death isn't the worst thing that can happen to a character, so making a sacrifice for the greater good can still be acting in your own best interest.One of the big differences with NS games, and with FATE in particular, is that they ask the player to make decisions against the character's interests. They want the wizard's brother to die, not because it's what the character would want in any capacity, or even because it's a necessary sacrifice for the greater good that they believe in, but because it's more dramatic and narratively satisfying for the players at the table.It's kind of hard to describe, but I'll try. The difference between being the character and advocating for the character is a fundamental distinction in how the decisions are made. It's a different process, by which information is analyzed and weighed. From what I understand, it uses different parts of the brain, though I can't offer more specificity on that point. When you are the character, you actually imagine yourself to be in that situation, in order to find out how you would respond. You imagine the musty corridor, and the crazed zombie, and your mighty thews, and the sword in your hand; and whatever your brain kicks back for what you should do in that situation, that's what you do - that's what you say your character tries to do.I'm not an expert on NS gameplay, but that's not the process I understand from reading the FATE Core book. What they describe is more a system of collaboratively story-telling, where you identify with your character but not as your character. It's like you're one of four writers, working on a novel or a something, and you're debating how the story should unfold. You are advocating for your character, in that you want them to be memorable and do cool things, but you don't really stop to imagine yourself in the situation before letting them do anything. You maintain your position as an outsider, even while you're making decisions for the character.</blockquote>

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