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<blockquote data-quote="Arilyn" data-source="post: 7769123" data-attributes="member: 6816042">But isn't it just really weird that wounds don't cause any trouble, other than noticing that the hp meter is running low? When Cap and Iron Man slugged it out in &quot;Civil War&quot;, they were both definitely suffering from damage. In DnD, there are no consequences until you hit zero, and then you are in serious trouble. You stated, in an earlier post, that you feel that in the alternate world of DnD, people just don't suffer crippling pain from sword slashes, because physics is different from our world. You used this argument to counter the claim that hp are a metagaming conceit. Now, you state that DnD heroes are just really tough, or expend effort to minimize the damage. As far as ordinary folk go, my argument can scale down easily. Two ordinary, non levelled characters go at each other with daggers. They each have 5 hp. They are not strong, and are only managing 1 or 2 hp worth of damage, when they hit. If they are sitting at negative 4 hp, they are still fighting just as well. Then 2 more points and they are in danger zone and unconscious. No, they can't take as many hp, as the average player character, but percentage wise, they are experiencing the same effect, that is, no crippling pain from weapon damage, until that meter runs out. Once again, it's totally ridiculous, but it's no big deal in DnD. Since there is so much combat, we really don't want a realistic wound system, but it's still so divorced from reality (in any plausible world), that it become a metagame cheat. But hey, that's just fine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arilyn, post: 7769123, member: 6816042"] But isn't it just really weird that wounds don't cause any trouble, other than noticing that the hp meter is running low? When Cap and Iron Man slugged it out in "Civil War", they were both definitely suffering from damage. In DnD, there are no consequences until you hit zero, and then you are in serious trouble. You stated, in an earlier post, that you feel that in the alternate world of DnD, people just don't suffer crippling pain from sword slashes, because physics is different from our world. You used this argument to counter the claim that hp are a metagaming conceit. Now, you state that DnD heroes are just really tough, or expend effort to minimize the damage. As far as ordinary folk go, my argument can scale down easily. Two ordinary, non levelled characters go at each other with daggers. They each have 5 hp. They are not strong, and are only managing 1 or 2 hp worth of damage, when they hit. If they are sitting at negative 4 hp, they are still fighting just as well. Then 2 more points and they are in danger zone and unconscious. No, they can't take as many hp, as the average player character, but percentage wise, they are experiencing the same effect, that is, no crippling pain from weapon damage, until that meter runs out. Once again, it's totally ridiculous, but it's no big deal in DnD. Since there is so much combat, we really don't want a realistic wound system, but it's still so divorced from reality (in any plausible world), that it become a metagame cheat. But hey, that's just fine. [/QUOTE]

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