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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 7769137" data-attributes="member: 85555">1) Sure, but it is an initial presentation of the topic. And it is a topic that lends itself to subjective claims. I wouldn't have written it the way he did, and I wouldn't have made all the same claims he did. I don't think leading with a critique of new school was helpful to his aim. I also don't think reacting defensively is helpful to the discussion. But there are things in there that many old school and OSR gamers would recognize as reasons they like to play in that style. The biggest issue people seem to have with it is how it presents new school play. I'd be very interested in people offering more clarification on this since, as I've said, all most people have to go on are their perceptions of a given style based on what they see online, what they see in real life groups beyond their own, etc. Usually that leads to a pretty narrow perception. I see all kinds of narrow views regarding the OSR for instance. And I've also seen narrow views within the OSR. That is what happens when people don't venture beyond their own play style or get information from the horse's mouth. I think this topic is a good opportunity for people to explain what they think new school play is. 2) I don't know. We are talking about games and play styles. There is going to be a lot of subjectivity in that. I think we can deal with our subjective perceptions of these things, without being led by our emotions. I'd certainly welcome an article with data. But if he expresses an opinion about new school play, and it is factually wrong, people can point that out and clarify. These kinds of discussions where people generalize about play styles do tend to leave out a lot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 7769137, member: 85555"] 1) Sure, but it is an initial presentation of the topic. And it is a topic that lends itself to subjective claims. I wouldn't have written it the way he did, and I wouldn't have made all the same claims he did. I don't think leading with a critique of new school was helpful to his aim. I also don't think reacting defensively is helpful to the discussion. But there are things in there that many old school and OSR gamers would recognize as reasons they like to play in that style. The biggest issue people seem to have with it is how it presents new school play. I'd be very interested in people offering more clarification on this since, as I've said, all most people have to go on are their perceptions of a given style based on what they see online, what they see in real life groups beyond their own, etc. Usually that leads to a pretty narrow perception. I see all kinds of narrow views regarding the OSR for instance. And I've also seen narrow views within the OSR. That is what happens when people don't venture beyond their own play style or get information from the horse's mouth. I think this topic is a good opportunity for people to explain what they think new school play is. 2) I don't know. We are talking about games and play styles. There is going to be a lot of subjectivity in that. I think we can deal with our subjective perceptions of these things, without being led by our emotions. I'd certainly welcome an article with data. But if he expresses an opinion about new school play, and it is factually wrong, people can point that out and clarify. These kinds of discussions where people generalize about play styles do tend to leave out a lot. [/QUOTE]

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