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<blockquote data-quote="Immortal Sun" data-source="post: 7769149">This is the same fallacy as the &quot;go find work somewhere else if you don't like your job&quot;.&nbsp; It assumes much, as follows:1: That other work is available.-There may be other dungeons, or there may not be.&nbsp; 2: That other work is accessible.-There is no guarantee that any other dungeon that exists is accessible at this time.&nbsp; 3: That you can simply &quot;quit&quot; what you're doing.-The party may be trapped in the dungeon (this is not an uncommon element of dungeons).4: That &quot;quitting&quot; won't have worse consequences.-There's a reason the party is in this dungeon and not that one to begin with, and it probably has to do with *something something* evil lich *something something* darkside.5: That the players are capable of doing the other dungeons.-Just because there's another dungeon, doesn't mean it's populated by at-level challenges.So, that's at least five assumptions that are being made about not just the dungeon, but the party, and the game-world as a whole.&nbsp; Any number of which, or even all of them may not be true.Which is precisely while &quot;fail-forward&quot; was invented.&nbsp; Because someone stopped and said &quot;What if failing this check means GAME OVER?&quot; and everyone sort of universally replied: &quot;That's dumb.&quot; If you run a game too much like your bad-guy is the guy from CinemaSins the reality is: that's just not much fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Immortal Sun, post: 7769149"] This is the same fallacy as the "go find work somewhere else if you don't like your job". It assumes much, as follows: 1: That other work is available. -There may be other dungeons, or there may [I]not[/I] be. 2: That other work is accessible. -There is no guarantee that any other dungeon that exists is accessible at this time. 3: That you can simply "quit" what you're doing. -The party may be trapped in the dungeon (this is not an uncommon element of dungeons). 4: That "quitting" won't have [I]worse[/I] consequences. -There's a reason the party is in [I]this[/I] dungeon and not [I]that[/I] one to begin with, and it probably has to do with *something something* evil lich *something something* darkside. 5: That the players are [I]capable[/I] of doing the other dungeons. -Just because there's another dungeon, doesn't mean it's populated by at-level challenges. So, that's at least [I]five[/I] assumptions that are being made about not just the dungeon, but the party, and the game-world as a whole. Any number of which, or even all of them may not be true. Which is [I]precisely[/I] while "fail-forward" was invented. Because someone stopped and said "What if failing this check means GAME OVER?" and everyone sort of universally replied: "That's dumb." If you run a game too much like your bad-guy is the guy from CinemaSins the reality is: that's just not much fun. [/QUOTE]

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