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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 7769297" data-attributes="member: 85555">Obviously we are not going to agree on the article, so I think there is little point in either of us beating the dead horse on that topic. I think we just have an honest disagreement. I feel like you are reading into everything I say and casting it in the worst possible light (and just an FYI, I wasn't upset at Umbran at all in that post, I was just pointing out what I believed to be a real distinction worth mentioning). If you, if Umbran, and if anyone else,, doesn't like the article, think it is stupid, and/or ignorant, it isn't really a problem to me. You guys are free to have your own views on it and I won't read too deeply into that. But I am genuinely interested in you giving me specifics because I wanted to see where the actual points of agreement, disagreement are, and see where either of us have room to expand our view. People just keep telling me the article is bad because it is ignorant and it gets things wrong. That is fine if you feel that way, but explain to me where you think it is wrong. This isn't a trap. I am not skeptical of your position, I just want to see what parts of the article you are even focusing on. Also, very importantly, I never said I agreed with everything the article said. It is entirely possible the parts that are bothering you, are parts I agree with. If is something we disagree about, I'd like to explore the issue and see if I am mistaken about something. There is a lot in that article, so it could be so many different things, and I sincerely do not know which ones in particular are bothering you. I defended the article when Umbran said it shouldn't be on the site, simply to add a voice to the conversation, because I felt it was a good article that fit the needs of a gaming forum. But I am not hellbent on defending everything about it. Like I said, I like that it started a conversation and and would love to have one on the topic. But I've been kind of stuck here defending my statement that I liked the article. I do believe we can have a discussion about this without rancor. I am not very interested in flame wars. I am interested in a spirited and honest conversation. I don't want people to hold back their opinions. I think people can give their honest views on styles of play while having a productive conversation. I used to believe differently. I used to emphasize polite and civil conversation. I still prefer that as my own approach, but I've come to value more and more people giving me their real opinions on things, rather than cloaking them in another critique. Even here, with you, I admit I am getting a bit irritated, but at least I know where I stand with you as a poster. I routinely go into places where the overall viewpoint is outside my comfort zone because I like to get information from the horse's mouth on topics. I am more into old school, but I post at places like Story-Games.com as well, and I come here where there is more of a mainstream viewpoint, in part to check my assumptions. If you make a good point, I will grant it. I am not interested in trying to score points against you or something.</blockquote>

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