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<blockquote data-quote="Tonguez" data-source="post: 8475131" data-attributes="member: 1125"><p>Theres a couple of flaws in your premise and the general presumption of What is a Barbarian</p><p>Firstly the Greek barbaros was just the opposite of polites and referred to all non-Greek speakers including those from other Great civlisations like the Persians, Egyptians, Medes and Phoenicians.</p><p></p><p>ALso Barbarian is very much defined by conflict and thus your premise that Barbarians in your campaign need not be raiders who pillage and kill is flawed as it just perpetuates ongoing stereotype and misnomer. Remember Viking is a job description not a people - Vikings are those who conduct raids against more settled communities and thus are called Barbarians</p><p></p><p>However a Swedish farmer raising cattle and pigs is not a Viking to the other farmers around him. Neither is a Hun merchant or a Cimmerian 'druid' a 'Barbarian'.</p><p></p><p>Moreover Barbarian is a pejorative of outsiders - its only when the Roman invaders arrived amongst the Gaulish villagers that the Gauls were defined as barbarians <u>by the invaders</u>. The Greeks/Romans used the term Barbarian to justify enslavement of non-Greeks like the Thracians or Lydians etc</p><p></p><p>SO the stereotype in Game Settings has the PC nations as the settled civilisation and its enemies as barbarians - again a definition based on conflict. But as World builders should we be perpetuating stereotype or allowing for the fact that there is <em><u>no such thing</u></em> as a Foot Barbarian or a Desert Barbarian or a Horse Barbarian - those are all terms premised on racist stereotype that should be avoided entirely.</p><p></p><p>Instead the Barbarian is a type of Warrior that is able to draw on primal emotions to enhance their combat prowess, civilized barbarians are possible</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tonguez, post: 8475131, member: 1125"] Theres a couple of flaws in your premise and the general presumption of What is a Barbarian Firstly the Greek barbaros was just the opposite of polites and referred to all non-Greek speakers including those from other Great civlisations like the Persians, Egyptians, Medes and Phoenicians. ALso Barbarian is very much defined by conflict and thus your premise that Barbarians in your campaign need not be raiders who pillage and kill is flawed as it just perpetuates ongoing stereotype and misnomer. Remember Viking is a job description not a people - Vikings are those who conduct raids against more settled communities and thus are called Barbarians However a Swedish farmer raising cattle and pigs is not a Viking to the other farmers around him. Neither is a Hun merchant or a Cimmerian 'druid' a 'Barbarian'. Moreover Barbarian is a pejorative of outsiders - its only when the Roman invaders arrived amongst the Gaulish villagers that the Gauls were defined as barbarians [U]by the invaders[/U]. The Greeks/Romans used the term Barbarian to justify enslavement of non-Greeks like the Thracians or Lydians etc SO the stereotype in Game Settings has the PC nations as the settled civilisation and its enemies as barbarians - again a definition based on conflict. But as World builders should we be perpetuating stereotype or allowing for the fact that there is [I][U]no such thing[/U][/I] as a Foot Barbarian or a Desert Barbarian or a Horse Barbarian - those are all terms premised on racist stereotype that should be avoided entirely. Instead the Barbarian is a type of Warrior that is able to draw on primal emotions to enhance their combat prowess, civilized barbarians are possible [/QUOTE]
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