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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8127295" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I mispoke. They are trained (ie proficient) in Daggers, Slings, Darts, Quarterstaffs and Light Crossbows. Which all are simple weapons, but you are right wizards are not trained in the use of all simple weapons. And, since a staff is just a long club, I'm not sure why you want to say they have no training.But, you are also making a lot of assumptions. They get the "lowest HD" but they also get more hp than your standard commoner. Also, this could be seen as simply PC rule game balance, since Mages, Archmages, Abjurers, Apprentice Wizards, Conjurers, Diviners, Enchanters, Evokers, Illusionists, Necromancers, and Transmuters have NPC statblocks that all use a d8 Hit Die. It is particularly notable that the Apprentice Wizard picture on PG 209 of Volo's looks like a pretty young kid, and he has access to 1st level spells already. And more hp (2d8 for 9) So, what is true for the Player Characters is not necessarily true for the NPCs.Okay. Where are you getting that 20 years from, and are you saying 20 years to reach level 1 as an Apprentice Wizard or 20 years to reach level 5 as a master wizard? Is this 20 years with the Guidance of a fully trained wizard, or 20 years of independent study? And, finally, if you want to propose that DnD is weird and combat gives you far more insight into magic than studying, then what about this. Nobles very often went hunting. Traditionally, they would hunt things such as boars, bears, elk, ect. Let us assume that our precious little noble scion has got at least a cantrip mastered. Ray of Frost. 60 ft range, reduce enemy speed by 10 ft. Average of 4.5 damage per hit. The noble with two scouts goes on a hunt for a Boar. The noble fires the first shot, the scouts fire four more shots. On average, the boar is dead. The Boar gives 50 xp. Dividing that 3-ways gives us 16 xp if we round down. Assuming that the noble hunts twice a month, and only in the fall, and only beasts that give 50 xp, then they earn 96 xo a year. In four years they hit level 2, likely sooner. Maybe they have a very dangerous encounter with a Brown Bear. They scouts peppering it with arrows likely deal 24 damage, if the young wizard here knows magic missile it could be dropped in a single round. Maybe not, but not impossible, the bear is 200 xp. That is, again rounding down and splitting, 66 xp almost a full years hunting by itself. But, even if we stick with about 100 xp a year (I mean, I'm sure there is going to be the occasional ambush or other fight the noble might get into to pop us up 4 xp) Then it will only take another 6 years to reach level 3. So, in about a decade of hunting. And not heavily hunting, just two animals killed a month and only in a the fall, six a year. The young noble would hit level 3 as a wizard. Like you said, DnD is weird.  And just by being a noble and hunting like nobles did for sport, I've cut your time in half.</blockquote>

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