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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8129364" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Vancian Casting was an assumption of the majority of DnD. All editions but 2 of them so far. But Vancian Casting is no longer an assumption, and someone trying to use it in DnD 5e would be told we don't do that anymore. So, right now, the Baseline is changed from what was existent in older editions of the game. Get it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You are right. People self-select and choose to go to that school for that degree. I will never be a doctor. Is it because I am incapable of learning medicine? No. It is because I have no desire to be a doctor, and so I will not pursue a degree in medicine. But if I was sat down and told, "You will be a doctor" and given private tutoring by a medical professional and over the course of a decade taught everything they know about medical practice and medicine.... I'd be a doctor by the end of it, in skills at least. Sure, for our massive classrooms we can only take the top 100 people to put through the program, but there is no one who could not learn to be a doctor with enough dedicated effort. And in the modern era, that is what people lack to pursue those goals, a truly impressive drive and desire to reach the end goal at pace. Those who have it get through, those who want to pursue one of the hundreds of thousands of other options, don't.How is controlling access to magical education and making sure that these powers are only used by your own family not controlling the resources? You do realize that access to education was constantly stifled in our world to prevent the rich and powerful's monopoly on it from being broken right? Why is magic education so radically different that it isn't considered a precious resource?Difference between magic and technology. For magic you need the knowledge, and that is about it. Tiny bit of time (10 minutes) For technology you need the knowledge, access to rare resources, an enormous amount of time (a single person building and installing that system would take a month easily, longer if they had to do it from scratch) And we keep coming back to this same point over and over again. Why are you educating someone else in the ability to wield these powers, which could then be trivially turned against you?This is not the assumption Minigiant has gone with. He has stated that nobles would forgo magic so they could keep their d8 HD, armor and weapon proficiencies. Maybe not every single noble, but the vast majority he says will be fighters.You are right, that would be the attempt. And that would change the depictions of things. "Would you deprive an old man of his walking stick?" Yes, we would, because that is a staff and a magical focus. This leads to an interesting back and forth. Do you allow musicians at your party? That leaves you open to bardic manipulation. Do you confiscate religious iconography? Those are foci as well. If not, do you disguise your arcane foci as a religious symbol? This gets into some interesting territory. Where right now, the fighter is going to have to strip down and leave their weapons at the door, while the mage and cleric stroll right on by, fully loaded with their full capabilities.Yes, we've gone over this again and again. But what you refuse to acknowledge is that some of the editions support rare-wizard more than common-wizard, and some do the reverse. 5e's approach favors (rather heavily I think) a common-wizard approach. Magic is incredibly easy to come by, fighter's have at least... well with Tasha's I think it is now at least five subclasses that give them some sort of magical ability. If you can be a full-fighter and a spellcaster at the same time... is it really requiring such intense dedicated decades of studying at the expense of every aspect of your life? I mean... 3rd level fighter gets magic. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------11 to 13 is good enough to be a wizard too. Multi-classing into wizard requires a 13 INT. Know what wearing plate mail requires? A 15 strength. So... it is actually harder to become a knight wearing platemail than it is to become a wizard, from a purely "what ability scores do I have" point of view. And who tends to be the highest educated people in a medieval society, therefore having higher intelligence than average? Monks and religious figures. Then followed by the Nobility.</blockquote>

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