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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8131950" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, there is a difference between "My character is a wizard who studied magic, and any person who studied magic can do the same thing" and "every potato farmer is a wizard" And, as t AbdulAlhazred posted, there was an assumption in Greyhawk that in Troupe Play, an NPC follower might become a PC. How would this be possible? Does the divine spark of specialness pass from the dead PC to the follower like the energy from Highlander? Or, just maybe, is it possible that the other people in the setting can do similar things to the PCs? I mean, take Batman since we want to keep throwing character examples. He is a martial artist and a detective. Is it impossible for anyone else to learn karate or deductive reasoning just because batman can do it? I mean, he is special, so if he is special and unique then is every single one of his skills special and unique? No one else could learn to do the things he does? Because that is what you are saying. You are saying that it is impossible for anyone else to learn magic and become a wizard in the same amount of time. Which then leads to this sort of scenario:My PC wizard is a special and unique individual, able to learn magic by 30. Oh, and that farm boy I found and am training is also special and unique. Oh, and since we died in that fight, this new guy over here is also special and unique. So is his sister And that thief that we caught stealing our stuffTurns out the innkeeper's daughter is also special and unique and able to learn magic quickly. Oh and this entire coven of necromancers. What was that thing you misquoted? when everyone is a [special], no one is.Funny how I've specified that I've been talking first, maybe second level spells this entire time, and done so multiple times, and only now you decide to reveal that you've been talking 3rd level spells this entire time, because the things I listed out were never worth their time to learn. Almost seems like an assumption you should have shared sooner, when I said I was talking about only getting up to 3rd level as a character (as in, 2nd level spells. 3rd level in the class)I had forgotten that the PHB listed magic as something you can just buy. Since I've only ever been talking about getting 1st and 2nd level spells, that would indicate that the PHB agrees with me. Up to 3 levels of wizard is so easy that you can assume there is one selling his services in most cities. Which then follows from my points. If magic is that easy, why would people not learn it? Well, it would be expensive and require a higher education. Things that would pose no barrier to the nobility, who would see the power offered by magic as something they would want. Hence, more nobles would become magic-users. Also, fun series of questions about Greyhawk Gazeteer. 1) Are we to assume that becoming a 9th level fighter is substantial harder than becoming a 9th level wizard? It hasn't been for the last three editions of the game2) If we have 9th level rogues and fighters do you know what that means? 9th level Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters are viable. How powerful is their magic? Why, second level spells, the same level I've been speaking towards.3) Are any of those nobles listed as Eldritch Knights or Arcane Tricksters? No, of course not. Because Greyhawk was created before those classes existed. The idea of a magical subclass of fighter is completely new to this edition of the game. And I don't mean gishes, or presitge classes, I mean "I took my 5th level of fighter and gained a new spell because of it" style of subclass. So, in 5e, it would be completely approapriate to have Nerof Gasgal as an Arcane Trickster, level 12, right on the cusp of learning 3rd level magic spells. Just translating him from 2e to 5e.</blockquote>

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