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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9432057" data-attributes="member: 22779">See, this is why these conversations become so fraught.Who said anything about &quot;purging tropes&quot;?&nbsp; Certainly not me.&nbsp; I've been very, very clear since the outset that this needs to be dealt with at the table in an open conversation at that table.&nbsp; [USER=85555]@Bedrockgames[/USER] is trying to frame this as some sort of bizarre culture war thing where the poor, downtrodden gamers are being &quot;forced&quot; to &quot;purge&quot; free speech.It has nothing to do with that.&nbsp; It has EVERYTHING to do with being open and honest.&nbsp; If your (or my for that matter) campaign is about the PC's being the colonizers, then that should be right there in the open.&nbsp; The players are playing the bad guys.&nbsp; There's no burying the lede there.&nbsp; And, if I start talking about my &quot;Colonizing the Orcs&quot; campaign in a public forum, I should absolutely, 100% be prepared for criticism here.&nbsp; If my response is, &quot;Well, I don't see anything wrong with it&quot;, well, I should expect lots and lots of push back.&nbsp; &quot;Hey, I'm running Keep on the Borderlands where the HEROIC PC's are supposed to exterminate all the humanoids in the Caves of Chaos so the GOODLY folk of the Keep will be able to spread out and take their land&quot; absolutely, 100% SHOULD get push back in a public forum.A while ago, at a board game day, I pulled out my copy of Endeavor.&nbsp; Great game.&nbsp; Lots of fun.&nbsp; The other players said, &quot;Umm, we're the European powers spreading our control over the world in the 18th Century?&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Yup, we're 100% the bad guys here.&quot;&nbsp; It's perfectly fine to play Axis and Allies and win as Germany.&nbsp; But, at no point should anyone be pretending that this is a good thing.&nbsp; That's the point I've been making in this thread all the way along.&nbsp; Being open and honest about a campaign like this is very, very important.&nbsp; And the first step is being honest with yourself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9432057, member: 22779"] See, this is why these conversations become so fraught. Who said anything about "purging tropes"? Certainly not me. I've been very, very clear since the outset that this needs to be dealt with at the table in an open conversation at that table. [USER=85555]@Bedrockgames[/USER] is trying to frame this as some sort of bizarre culture war thing where the poor, downtrodden gamers are being "forced" to "purge" free speech. It has nothing to do with that. It has EVERYTHING to do with being open and honest. If your (or my for that matter) campaign is about the PC's being the colonizers, then that should be right there in the open. The players are playing the bad guys. There's no burying the lede there. And, if I start talking about my "Colonizing the Orcs" campaign in a public forum, I should absolutely, 100% be prepared for criticism here. If my response is, "Well, I don't see anything wrong with it", well, I should expect lots and lots of push back. "Hey, I'm running Keep on the Borderlands where the HEROIC PC's are supposed to exterminate all the humanoids in the Caves of Chaos so the GOODLY folk of the Keep will be able to spread out and take their land" absolutely, 100% SHOULD get push back in a public forum. A while ago, at a board game day, I pulled out my copy of Endeavor. Great game. Lots of fun. The other players said, "Umm, we're the European powers spreading our control over the world in the 18th Century?" "Yup, we're 100% the bad guys here." It's perfectly fine to play Axis and Allies and win as Germany. But, at no point should anyone be pretending that this is a good thing. That's the point I've been making in this thread all the way along. Being open and honest about a campaign like this is very, very important. And the first step is being honest with yourself. [/QUOTE]

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