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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7765405" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>Heh, to be fair, you were the one who asked me if the original audiences believed in fairy tales. The answer was sorta. Fairy tales are a blurry line between folkbelief and fictional embellishment to enhance the story for the sake of a story.</p><p></p><p>I got your point that fairy tales are the origin of the fantasy genre, and I have to agree. I see fairy tales flourishing as a genre in its own right during the 1800s, and this seems to inspire the earliest examples of ‘science fiction’.</p><p></p><p>An interesting question is, when did people start writing ‘fantasy’ in the sense of strict fiction (as opposed to fictionalized).</p><p></p><p>In some sense, Tolkien is a pioneer in modern fantasy. At a time when human scientists were beginning to understand how cultures and archetypes *functioned*, he used these methodologies to create a fictional one. His invention of fictional languages evidences his intention as a fictional author, even tho much of what he wrote is a mosaic of many reallife ethnicities whose heritages he broke apart and then used the pieces to reassemble a fictional spiritual heritage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thinking on this. I find myself crediting Sigmund Freud as part of the origin of the fantasy genre. His book, On the Interpretation of Dreams, demystified the realm of dreams. (He showed how dreams ‘conflate’ facets from waking life into a holistic image. The key to understanding a dream is identifying which facets of a dream correspond to which facets of waking life, then assessing the significance of how these pieces of waking life fit together. He considered this his most important book.) Before Freud, humans perceived dreams as a mystical realm. Freud allowed dreams to be mundane.</p><p></p><p>This paradigm shift from mystical to mundane, likewise made the shift from mystical folkbelief to mundane fantasy fiction possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By the way, good call on Gulliver’s Travels from the 1700s. I might consider it something like ‘proto fantasy’. Swift wrote in genres of allegory and parody, but the results look like fantasy − maybe because he has a distinctively modernist and Enlightenment rationalist feel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 7765405, member: 58172"] Heh, to be fair, you were the one who asked me if the original audiences believed in fairy tales. The answer was sorta. Fairy tales are a blurry line between folkbelief and fictional embellishment to enhance the story for the sake of a story. I got your point that fairy tales are the origin of the fantasy genre, and I have to agree. I see fairy tales flourishing as a genre in its own right during the 1800s, and this seems to inspire the earliest examples of ‘science fiction’. An interesting question is, when did people start writing ‘fantasy’ in the sense of strict fiction (as opposed to fictionalized). In some sense, Tolkien is a pioneer in modern fantasy. At a time when human scientists were beginning to understand how cultures and archetypes *functioned*, he used these methodologies to create a fictional one. His invention of fictional languages evidences his intention as a fictional author, even tho much of what he wrote is a mosaic of many reallife ethnicities whose heritages he broke apart and then used the pieces to reassemble a fictional spiritual heritage. Thinking on this. I find myself crediting Sigmund Freud as part of the origin of the fantasy genre. His book, On the Interpretation of Dreams, demystified the realm of dreams. (He showed how dreams ‘conflate’ facets from waking life into a holistic image. The key to understanding a dream is identifying which facets of a dream correspond to which facets of waking life, then assessing the significance of how these pieces of waking life fit together. He considered this his most important book.) Before Freud, humans perceived dreams as a mystical realm. Freud allowed dreams to be mundane. This paradigm shift from mystical to mundane, likewise made the shift from mystical folkbelief to mundane fantasy fiction possible. By the way, good call on Gulliver’s Travels from the 1700s. I might consider it something like ‘proto fantasy’. Swift wrote in genres of allegory and parody, but the results look like fantasy − maybe because he has a distinctively modernist and Enlightenment rationalist feel. [/QUOTE]
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