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<blockquote data-quote="Alexander Kalinowski" data-source="post: 7770010" data-attributes="member: 6931283">Personally, I think (A)D&amp;D has been a gamist-simulationist&nbsp; hybrid (to varying degrees) up to and including 3.x. I should add that I&nbsp; consider OD&amp;D, based from what I've seen, simulationist - for&nbsp; the mid 1970s. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; Not from the POV of any later era though,&nbsp; obviously.And, as mentioned, there was a general trend for RPGs&nbsp; to become ever&nbsp; more &quot;realistic&quot; for a time. The Forge was&nbsp; probably an inflection point&nbsp; for&nbsp; that.As for skill lists, they may not be a&nbsp; sufficient feature but probably a necessary&nbsp; one. So I kinda stand to my above assessment.That's interesting&nbsp; because it shows the two schools of simulationism that exist to my mind:&nbsp; attempted simulation of reality (to varying degrees, see reference to&nbsp; skill lists in 2E) and simulation of a fictional world - genre&nbsp; simulation. I consider Harnmaster/Riddle of Steel more in the former&nbsp; camp and stuff like Feng Shui more in the latter. As well as FFG's Star&nbsp; Wars.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alexander Kalinowski, post: 7770010, member: 6931283"] Personally, I think (A)D&D has been a gamist-simulationist hybrid (to varying degrees) up to and including 3.x. I should add that I consider OD&D, based from what I've seen, simulationist - for the mid 1970s. ;) Not from the POV of any later era though, obviously. And, as mentioned, there was a general trend for RPGs to become ever more "realistic" for a time. The Forge was probably an inflection point for that. As for skill lists, they may not be a [B]sufficient[/B] feature but probably a [B]necessary[/B] one. So I kinda stand to my above assessment. That's interesting because it shows the two schools of simulationism that exist to my mind: attempted simulation of reality (to varying degrees, see reference to skill lists in 2E) and simulation of a fictional world - genre simulation. I consider Harnmaster/Riddle of Steel more in the former camp and stuff like Feng Shui more in the latter. As well as FFG's Star Wars. [/QUOTE]

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