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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7972889" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Indeed those actions are morally reprehensible; hence why we criminalise them.The issue is people conflate self defence with having to wait around till you get stabbed or shot at first. That is not (and never has been) the case in any context, historical, legal or otherwise.If a reasonable person in your position would have an apprehension that lethal force is about to be performed on them (or someone else) they have the legal right to respond with force (including lethal force) in response to that reasonable apprehension.We dont make such uses of force a crime, even if the victim was killed, as long as the apprehension and force used was reasonable in the circumstances. In other words we dont morally condemn the killer.If a group of adventurers is beset by a group of creatures intent on doing them harm, the adventurers are within their rights to respond with force (including lethal force) if necessary. Whether thats a dragon swooping from the sky, an incursion of Orcs from a nearby encampment, bandits on the road, or even a group of Paladins who are attacking out of a case of mistaken identity.Such force is not 'evil' regardless of the alignment of the victim. It's also not 'morally good' either.Pretty intresting laws in relation to Norse duels:If someone speaks insults to another man ("You're not the like of a man, and not a man in your chest!" – "I’m a man like you!"), they shall meet where three roads meet. If he who has spoken comes and not the insulted one, then he shall be as he's been called: no right to swear oaths, no right to bear witness, may it concern man or woman.If the insulted one comes and not he who has spoken, then he shall cry "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni%C3%B0ingr" target="_blank">Niðingr</a>!" three times and make a mark in the ground, and he is worse who spoke what he dared not keep.Now both meet fully armed: if the insulted one falls, the compensation is half a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild" target="_blank">weregild</a>; if he who has spoken falls, insults are the worst, the tongue the head’s bane, he shall lie in a field of no compensation.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmgang" target="_blank">Holmgang - Wikipedia</a></blockquote>

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