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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7972987" data-attributes="member: 18">Quite. Some people shouldn't be DMs or playing D&amp;D, but I've equally seen a situation where a DM insisted something was Good, was taken aback that no-one agreed, we discussed vehemently but politely, and he actually agreed. I can't even remember exactly what it was.But equally another DM did manage to end a campaign and his run as DM that way, in an event I've spoken about before, the &quot;Killing orphaned orc babies is Good, taking same orphaned orc babies to be raised non-Evil by the clergy of Illmater is a betrayal of Good and means you are now all Neutral!&quot; incident. 100% of the group disagreed with this. DM was fired on the spot.(PS what kind of DM even puts in orc babies to get orphaned by the PCs! Come on!)Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I mean, that's objectively true re: self-existence vs everything else (and you don't even actually know that much, but let's get into the whole blindsight deal, but I do think like, 95% of people would go &quot;Oh wow holy naughty word okay AO!&quot; if that happened, which is why I feel it's a bit of a cop-out, because for most people it would be &quot;But is AO even real?&quot; it'd &quot;Yikes AO just told me that was Evil, not going to do that!&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7972987, member: 18"] Quite. Some people shouldn't be DMs or playing D&D, but I've equally seen a situation where a DM insisted something was Good, was taken aback that no-one agreed, we discussed vehemently but politely, and he actually agreed. I can't even remember exactly what it was. But equally another DM did manage to end a campaign and his run as DM that way, in an event I've spoken about before, the "Killing orphaned orc babies is Good, taking same orphaned orc babies to be raised non-Evil by the clergy of Illmater is a[I] betrayal [/I]of Good and means you are now all Neutral!" incident. 100% of the group disagreed with this. DM was fired on the spot. (PS what kind of DM even puts in orc babies to get orphaned by the PCs! Come on!) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I mean, that's objectively true re: self-existence vs everything else (and you don't even actually know that much, but let's get into the whole blindsight deal, but I do think like, 95% of people would go "Oh wow holy naughty word okay AO!" if that happened, which is why I feel it's a bit of a cop-out, because for most people it would be "But is AO even real?" it'd "Yikes AO just told me that was Evil, not going to do that!". [/QUOTE]

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