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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7974721" data-attributes="member: 18">Hobbits are a terrible yardstick for LG, I'd suggest. They're a decent yardstick for NG. I mean, you remember that time when Frodo, Sam, Pippin and Merry broke into, and trespassed on, a farmer's field and stole tons of mushrooms and had to run away because they were thieves and how they talked about the fact that they did this kind of habitually and it wasn't the first time, right?They're very G, but they're not really L."It's the people who are the problem not the system" works the first couple of times the system breaks down. When there are problems as widespread and reliable as LG and CN have caused, there are problems with the system. The same exact argument as yours is traditionally used with LF/QW. And "WELL UR GAMES SUCK BUT MINE ROCK" is just not an actual argument at all, it's an anecdote/insult.And 2E, as discussed, presenting the alignments basically as personality disorders (in the PHB, later sources discussing them were sometimes much better or much worse), really did not help with this.</blockquote>