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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7975665" data-attributes="member: 42582">Gygax has the kernel of a coherent system for labelling convictions and aspirations: there are people who value what should be valued (the good) and people who are indifferent to or even scorn it (the evil). Among these people there are those who think that order and community will foster the good (the LG, who therefore adopt and advocate order as a means; and the CE who for the same reason repudiate order because it will tend to stop them acting in disregard of value). And there are also those who thik that individualism is what will foster the good (the CG, and also the LE who don't want the good being fostered because it gets in their way, and so who cultivate order instead).There are also order-fetishists (LN), individualism-fetishists (CN) and Stoics/Daoists (TN).This is basically coherent.The idea that a paladin is committed to the good except when s/he's not, bcause s/he treats order as an independent value, is not coherent. It's absurd, verging on contradictory. The non-good aren't committed to other values. They have turned away from value - that's why they're not good - and are either committed to things that aren't valuable in themselves (LN, CN) or to nothing at all (the evil).</blockquote>