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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7977649" data-attributes="member: 42582">Why are you not following along? Why are you not turning up?If they're your customs, you'll go along with them! (Unless you've become alienated from your society - but then you're proabably not Lawful, are you, which would be contrary to what we had posited.)That's how customs and traditions work - they are internalised by those who are socialised into them. That's why (I'm guessing) you default to English when you greet someone in your neighbourhood, and why (I'm guessing) you default to a handshake rather than (say) a bow as the courteous mode of greeting.By way of contrast: at present, the idea of "touching elbows" rather than shaking hands is external. That's why it requires effort and discipline, in contrast to the intuitive shaking of the hand.What I'm saying, and what I believe [USER=6993955]@Fenris-77[/USER] also to be saying, is that LG makes more sense when one looks at it through the lens I have just described: not that the LG person advocates commitment to external, even alien law, but that the LG person believes in culture and tradition which is valuable precisely because it is internalised by way of socialisation and hence is the way peopel can go about realising the good. Or to put it another way: the LG ideal is better understood not as resting on some idea that humans are by default unruly children who need disciplining by an external authority (which frankly sounds LN or even LE if it goes too far) but rather as resting on the diea that humans are by default social beings who flourish in communitiy, becuase it is communal practices and traditions that provide the framework and opportunities within which people can achieve wellbeing. This has naturally affinities with Burkean conservatism, but there are also liberal variants of something like this view eg Will Kymlicka's Multicultural Citizenship.</blockquote>

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