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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9214466" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p><em>Handheld</em> gunpowder weapons, in Europe, predate the development of "plate armor" as we understand it. Per Wikipedia, the earliest surviving handgun dates to no earlier than 1396. They were in active use during the Hussite Wars of 1419-1434.</p><p></p><p>The first suits of full plate armor only came into being around 1420.</p><p></p><p>Handguns are not an industrial-era weapon. The Robin Hood comparison is shockingly apt: the first Robin Hood folktales we know of come from the 13th and 14th centuries, meaning the 1400s to 1500s. But it would have been more accurate to say that handguns are <em>older</em> than Robin Hood.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you want to talk <em>rifles,</em> sure! Those are modern weapons, developed during industrial times. And nobody denies that smoothbore weapons were less effective than one might like. But to claim that you don't see usable, functional hand-held gunpowder weapons until the Industrial Revolution overstates the case by three whole centuries <em>at least.</em></p><p></p><p>Now, none of that is to say "you should LIKE firearms in your fantasy." If you don't, cool. I can better understand the "skill shifts from user to maker" argument, but you don't even need that. Just "I don't like it" is fine. I just feel frustrated when I see what appears to be reifying personal preferences by "historical" explanations that aren't historical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9214466, member: 6790260"] [I]Handheld[/I] gunpowder weapons, in Europe, predate the development of "plate armor" as we understand it. Per Wikipedia, the earliest surviving handgun dates to no earlier than 1396. They were in active use during the Hussite Wars of 1419-1434. The first suits of full plate armor only came into being around 1420. Handguns are not an industrial-era weapon. The Robin Hood comparison is shockingly apt: the first Robin Hood folktales we know of come from the 13th and 14th centuries, meaning the 1400s to 1500s. But it would have been more accurate to say that handguns are [I]older[/I] than Robin Hood. Now, if you want to talk [I]rifles,[/I] sure! Those are modern weapons, developed during industrial times. And nobody denies that smoothbore weapons were less effective than one might like. But to claim that you don't see usable, functional hand-held gunpowder weapons until the Industrial Revolution overstates the case by three whole centuries [I]at least.[/I] Now, none of that is to say "you should LIKE firearms in your fantasy." If you don't, cool. I can better understand the "skill shifts from user to maker" argument, but you don't even need that. Just "I don't like it" is fine. I just feel frustrated when I see what appears to be reifying personal preferences by "historical" explanations that aren't historical. [/QUOTE]
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