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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7989123" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't really get the points buy = samey thing. Here are three reasons for that.(1) The last two times I've played AD&amp;D I gave the players the option of rolling 4d6 drop 1 (reroll if two &lt; 6 or fewer than two &gt; 14) or allocating 76 points (with an 18 costing 19 points). We had a mixture of rolling and points-buy. And we got different spreads - eg a points-buy monk (needs 3 15s) looked different from a points-buy F/MU.(2) In our main 4e game, the PCs were all points-buy. Here are the starting stats (including racial adjustments in brackets, and then 30th level stats in square brackets):8,10,13,14,14,16&nbsp; (8,10,14,15,16,16)&nbsp; [10,12,18,19,20,26]8,10,12,12,16,16 (8,10,12,12,18,18)&nbsp; [10,12,14,14,26,28]8,10,10,11,14,18 (8,10,10,11,16,20)&nbsp; [10,12,12,1324,28]8,10,13,14,14,16 (8,10,13,14,16,18)&nbsp; [10,12,15,16,26,28]10,11,12,13,14,16 (10,11,12,14,15,18)&nbsp; [12,14,14,18,20,28]Of those 5 starting spreads only two were the same, and they were different after racial adjustments. The difference have only grown with levels.(3) In our Prince Valiant game, two PCs were built (without collaboration) almost identically: Brawn 4, Presence 3, Arms 3, Riding 1, Hunting 1, Archery 1 - and then one had Fellowship 1, Healing 2 and the other Fellowship 2, Healing 1.The players - once they saw they had built two similar PCs - decided that one was the son of the other. The father's description was &quot;A broad-framed knight of early middle age who, while a veteran, has achieved little&quot;.&nbsp; The son's description was &quot;Mighty thews [and] long blond hair&quot;. The two characters have played in ways that one might expect from those descriptions - the brash son, the calm and sensible father. In play the son has married, on the basis of romantic passion; the father (who it turned out was widowed) has remarried to cement a political alliance between the knights and French nobility.So even when stats are near-identical, that doesn't mean that the two PCs must or will be the same in play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7989123, member: 42582"] I don't really get the [I]points buy = samey [/I]thing. Here are three reasons for that. (1) The last two times I've played AD&D I gave the players the option of rolling 4d6 drop 1 (reroll if two < 6 or fewer than two > 14) or allocating 76 points (with an 18 costing 19 points). We had a mixture of rolling and points-buy. And we got different spreads - eg a points-buy monk (needs 3 15s) looked different from a points-buy F/MU. (2) In our main 4e game, the PCs were all points-buy. Here are the starting stats (including racial adjustments in brackets, and then 30th level stats in square brackets): 8,10,13,14,14,16 (8,10,14,15,16,16) [10,12,18,19,20,26] 8,10,12,12,16,16 (8,10,12,12,18,18) [10,12,14,14,26,28] 8,10,10,11,14,18 (8,10,10,11,16,20) [10,12,12,1324,28] 8,10,13,14,14,16 (8,10,13,14,16,18) [10,12,15,16,26,28] 10,11,12,13,14,16 (10,11,12,14,15,18) [12,14,14,18,20,28] Of those 5 starting spreads only two were the same, and they were different after racial adjustments. The difference have only grown with levels. (3) In our Prince Valiant game, two PCs were built (without collaboration) almost identically: Brawn 4, Presence 3, Arms 3, Riding 1, Hunting 1, Archery 1 - and then one had Fellowship 1, Healing 2 and the other Fellowship 2, Healing 1. The players - once they saw they had built two similar PCs - decided that one was the son of the other. The father's description was "A broad-framed knight of early middle age who, while a veteran, has achieved little". The son's description was "Mighty thews [and] long blond hair". The two characters have played in ways that one might expect from those descriptions - the brash son, the calm and sensible father. In play the son has married, on the basis of romantic passion; the father (who it turned out was widowed) has remarried to cement a political alliance between the knights and French nobility. So even when stats are near-identical, that doesn't mean that the two PCs must or will be the same in play. [/QUOTE]

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