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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8732487" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>This is one of the spells that most directly involves a deity. However, mostly getting a yes/no answer is not conceptually that hard to divorce from subpoenaing a god for a limited deposition.</p><p></p><p>First here is the 3.5 spell from the SRD:</p><p></p><h3>Commune</h3><h4><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#divination" target="_blank">Divination</a></h4> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#level" target="_blank">Level</a>:</th><td><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericSpells.htm#fifthLevelClericSpells" target="_blank">Clr 5</a></td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#components" target="_blank">Components</a>:</th><td>V, S, M, DF, XP</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#castingTime" target="_blank">Casting Time</a>:</th><td>10 minutes</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#range" target="_blank">Range</a>:</th><td>Personal</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#targetorTargets" target="_blank">Target</a>:</th><td>You</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#duration" target="_blank">Duration</a>:</th><td>1 round/level</td></tr></table><p> </p><p> You contact your deity—or agents thereof —and ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. (A <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm" target="_blank">cleric</a> of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct within the limits of the entity’s knowledge. “Unclear” is a legitimate answer, because powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading or contrary to the deity’s interests, a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead.</p><p> The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. The entities contacted structure their answers to further their own purposes. If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends.</p><h4>Material Component</h4><p> Holy (or unholy) water and incense.</p><h4>XP Cost 100 XP.</h4><p>Most of the versions of commune through the editions are fairly similar.</p><p></p><p>Couple options:</p><p></p><p>Option 1 take out the flavor text of the god. Treat it as a pure information gathering spell giving yes/no answers. Similar to a tarot reading, an oracle, or other divination. It might tap into the universe, akashic consciousness, whatever.</p><p></p><p>You <s>contact your deity—or agents thereof —and</s> ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. <s>(A <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm" target="_blank">cleric</a> of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) </s>You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct <s>within the limits of the entity’s knowledge</s>. “Unclear” is a legitimate answer<s>, because powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient</s>. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading <s>or contrary to the deity’s interests</s>, a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead.</p><p></p><p> The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. <s>The entities contacted structure their answers to further their own purposes.</s> If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends.</p><p></p><p>Option 2 treat it as written "(A <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm" target="_blank">cleric</a> of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.)" either using a deity or other being.</p><p></p><p>Option 3 spell does not work if there are no gods to compel an answer from.</p><p></p><p>It comes into play for 5th level spells, so either 9th level+ clerics or someone with a scroll in 3.5.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8732487, member: 2209"] This is one of the spells that most directly involves a deity. However, mostly getting a yes/no answer is not conceptually that hard to divorce from subpoenaing a god for a limited deposition. First here is the 3.5 spell from the SRD: [HEADING=2]Commune[/HEADING] [HEADING=3][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#divination']Divination[/URL][/HEADING] [TABLE] [TR] [TH][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#level']Level[/URL]:[/TH] [TD][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericSpells.htm#fifthLevelClericSpells']Clr 5[/URL][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#components']Components[/URL]:[/TH] [TD]V, S, M, DF, XP[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#castingTime']Casting Time[/URL]:[/TH] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#range']Range[/URL]:[/TH] [TD]Personal[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#targetorTargets']Target[/URL]:[/TH] [TD]You[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#duration']Duration[/URL]:[/TH] [TD]1 round/level[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] You contact your deity—or agents thereof —and ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. (A [URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm']cleric[/URL] of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct within the limits of the entity’s knowledge. “Unclear” is a legitimate answer, because powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading or contrary to the deity’s interests, a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead. The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. The entities contacted structure their answers to further their own purposes. If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends. [HEADING=3]Material Component[/HEADING] Holy (or unholy) water and incense. [HEADING=3]XP Cost 100 XP.[/HEADING] Most of the versions of commune through the editions are fairly similar. Couple options: Option 1 take out the flavor text of the god. Treat it as a pure information gathering spell giving yes/no answers. Similar to a tarot reading, an oracle, or other divination. It might tap into the universe, akashic consciousness, whatever. You [S]contact your deity—or agents thereof —and[/S] ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. [S](A [URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm']cleric[/URL] of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) [/S]You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct [S]within the limits of the entity’s knowledge[/S]. “Unclear” is a legitimate answer[S], because powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient[/S]. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading [S]or contrary to the deity’s interests[/S], a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead. The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. [S]The entities contacted structure their answers to further their own purposes.[/S] If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends. Option 2 treat it as written "(A [URL='https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm']cleric[/URL] of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.)" either using a deity or other being. Option 3 spell does not work if there are no gods to compel an answer from. It comes into play for 5th level spells, so either 9th level+ clerics or someone with a scroll in 3.5. [/QUOTE]
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