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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 8375658" data-attributes="member: 3887">See, I'd use both of them as examples of alien characters who are undeniably human. Sure, Spock is stoic and logical (which aren't exactly alien traits, just presented at an exaggerated level). But he's also best friends with Jim Kirk, has no trouble using wry humor on his co-workers, in fact has no real trouble navigating human society at all.Spock's at his most alien in ST:TMP. But that's after spending years trying to purge himself of his emotions. He felt he'd become too human. Yet for all that effort, he 'dies' in TWoK proclaiming he &quot;always was, and always will be&quot; Jim Kirk's friend.As for Data, he's even more of an exaggeration than Spock, though the same pattern hold true. He has friends, relationships, hobbies, etc. He has feelings, even negative emotions like anger, as seen in &quot;The Most Toys&quot;, where he totally tries to murder Kivas Fajo in cold blood. As was argued in &quot;Measure of the Man&quot;, Mr. Data is obviously alive (which in the context of the episode reads as 'human', a person). The irony of Data is that he doesn't see it, he's perpetually on this quest to become what the audience knows he already is. Much like Spock, who is very much a human being, despite his frequent protestations.I agree complete. Spock and Data are exactly the kind of alien our PCs should be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 8375658, member: 3887"] See, I'd use both of them as examples of alien characters who are undeniably human. Sure, Spock is stoic and logical (which aren't exactly alien traits, just presented at an exaggerated level). But he's also best friends with Jim Kirk, has no trouble using wry humor on his co-workers, in fact has no real trouble navigating human society at all. Spock's at his most alien in ST:TMP. But that's after spending years trying to purge himself of his emotions. He felt he'd become too human. Yet for all that effort, he 'dies' in TWoK proclaiming he "always was, and always will be" Jim Kirk's friend. As for Data, he's even more of an exaggeration than Spock, though the same pattern hold true. He has friends, relationships, hobbies, etc. He has [I]feelings, [/I]even negative emotions like anger, as seen in "The Most Toys", where he totally tries to murder Kivas Fajo in cold blood. As was argued in "Measure of the Man", Mr. Data is obviously alive (which in the context of the episode reads as 'human', a person). The irony of Data is that he doesn't see it, he's perpetually on this quest to become what the audience knows he already is. Much like Spock, who is very much a human being, despite his frequent protestations. I agree complete. Spock and Data are exactly the kind of alien our PCs should be. [/QUOTE]

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