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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8066301" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Heh. Yes, as the saying goes, your mileage may vary.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, a single monster of CR=PC level can (not likely, true, but, can) kill most PC's in a single round. All it took was one good run of dice and I had a dead PC. Wands of CLW simply sped up game pace. They weren't any good for in combat healing. </p><p></p><p>Now, where I did kill AD&D PC's was with save or die effects. Every bloody thing and it's mother had poison and most of the monster poisons were save or die. But, kill a PC through HP attrition? In AD&D or 2e? Not something that happened hardly ever IME. In my 3e games though, I was killing a PC on average 1/3 sessions. So, about 1/level I was whacking a PC. Not through save or die typically, but, through simple HP damage. 3e and 3.5e monsters are about the most dangerous of any edition of the game. I mean, look at a 3e troll. Max damage of 54 points in a single round. That's a CR 5 creature. 5th level PC's don't have 50 HP (outside maybe the barbarian). Fire Giant - CR 10 - 99 points of damage without using it's power attack. And heaven help the PC if you roll a crit.</p><p></p><p>Put it this way. The most damaging 1e monster is an ancient huge red dragon's breath attack - 96 points of damage. Whoof. That's going to hurt. But, that's what fire giants do in 3e. And it's not like 3e characters have more HP before 10th level. They're pretty close to the same. Same HD from AD&D to 3e. Maybe a couple more points/level from Con, but, again, not a huge difference. </p><p></p><p>After 10th level? Ok, fair enough. 3e characters get gross. But, then again, so do the 3e monsters. It's called rocket tag for a reason.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8066301, member: 22779"] Heh. Yes, as the saying goes, your mileage may vary. Like I said, a single monster of CR=PC level can (not likely, true, but, can) kill most PC's in a single round. All it took was one good run of dice and I had a dead PC. Wands of CLW simply sped up game pace. They weren't any good for in combat healing. Now, where I did kill AD&D PC's was with save or die effects. Every bloody thing and it's mother had poison and most of the monster poisons were save or die. But, kill a PC through HP attrition? In AD&D or 2e? Not something that happened hardly ever IME. In my 3e games though, I was killing a PC on average 1/3 sessions. So, about 1/level I was whacking a PC. Not through save or die typically, but, through simple HP damage. 3e and 3.5e monsters are about the most dangerous of any edition of the game. I mean, look at a 3e troll. Max damage of 54 points in a single round. That's a CR 5 creature. 5th level PC's don't have 50 HP (outside maybe the barbarian). Fire Giant - CR 10 - 99 points of damage without using it's power attack. And heaven help the PC if you roll a crit. Put it this way. The most damaging 1e monster is an ancient huge red dragon's breath attack - 96 points of damage. Whoof. That's going to hurt. But, that's what fire giants do in 3e. And it's not like 3e characters have more HP before 10th level. They're pretty close to the same. Same HD from AD&D to 3e. Maybe a couple more points/level from Con, but, again, not a huge difference. After 10th level? Ok, fair enough. 3e characters get gross. But, then again, so do the 3e monsters. It's called rocket tag for a reason. [/QUOTE]
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