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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8067948" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Shrug. Run that identical encounter in 3e and watch what happens. Surprise from trogs and 9 attacks plus 3 DC 13 saves or be sickened (-2 to pretty much everything). Note, you have to succeed on all three saving throws to be immune to the stench. </p><p></p><p>And, again, our 3e trogs are getting 9 attacks per round - 3 each. Against 1st level characters? That should be a TPK with the surprise round. And, that's actually considered a slightly strong encounter - EL 3 - certainly not an impossible encounter. </p><p></p><p>I mean, come on here. Killing 1st level characters is like shooting fish in a barrel. In any edition. Talking about the lethality of an edition and only looking at 1st level is skewing things pretty darn hard. Again, 3e orcs can outright kill PC's, not just knock them below 0, in a single hit. Heck, our trogs here can deal 14 points of damage/round - just about double what the AD&D trogs could do - and that's giving the trogs better weapons - how exactly does a stone axe deal d8 damage anyway. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8067948, member: 22779"] Shrug. Run that identical encounter in 3e and watch what happens. Surprise from trogs and 9 attacks plus 3 DC 13 saves or be sickened (-2 to pretty much everything). Note, you have to succeed on all three saving throws to be immune to the stench. And, again, our 3e trogs are getting 9 attacks per round - 3 each. Against 1st level characters? That should be a TPK with the surprise round. And, that's actually considered a slightly strong encounter - EL 3 - certainly not an impossible encounter. I mean, come on here. Killing 1st level characters is like shooting fish in a barrel. In any edition. Talking about the lethality of an edition and only looking at 1st level is skewing things pretty darn hard. Again, 3e orcs can outright kill PC's, not just knock them below 0, in a single hit. Heck, our trogs here can deal 14 points of damage/round - just about double what the AD&D trogs could do - and that's giving the trogs better weapons - how exactly does a stone axe deal d8 damage anyway. :D [/QUOTE]
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