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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eyeheartawk" data-source="post: 8743200" data-attributes="member: 6727715">I think the discussion of massed troops vs higher (ish) level magic users, creatures etc misses the point. Most military thinking is along the lines of highest return for least cost. Massing your infantry against a lvl 20 barbarian would indeed work, but likely at great cost. It's like assaulting a entrenched enemy position with mostly light infantry and insufficient armor and artillery support. If the light infantry is well motivated it can be done, but at likely much higher cost than a reasonably well supported and a more optimal composition of forces would achieve.And that's assuming they are well motivated. I would wager that a 10,000 person footmen, cavalry and archer army could probably beat a red dragon. But they would probably break and flee the battlefield before they eventually widdle the dragon down. If I was a spearman and I saw 100 dudes get lit up and burned alive in front of me as the result of one single attack from the dragon I'd probably think twice.</blockquote>