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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 7792846" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Not that I can recall... it's just your posts often inspire mine.</p><p></p><p>I do disdain D&D and Pathfinder as being sub par in many areas... </p><p>but many kids games are likewise subpar, but thus more suited to kids and to casual play by adults.</p><p></p><p>Kids of Catan comes to mind... simple, elegant</p><p></p><p></p><p>Zweihänder is an interesting beast. I'll preface my comments by noting that I don't know who bought me my PDF, it may have been a comp by the author, I just do not know. Further, I've not run it, but have read it.</p><p></p><p>That said... </p><p>The tone is closer to WFRP 1E, the rules closer to 2E, but with some additional elements from elsewhere. </p><p>Likewise, WFRP 4E is a hybrid of 1E and 2E, but is, in tone and presentation closer to 2E, while mechanically, equidistant from all three - WFRP1, WFRP2, and Zweihänder.</p><p></p><p>Continuity - it has some with WFRP - it's a retroclone of 2E for a 1E feel, done during WFRP 3. It's as close as is practical without getting sued. </p><p>The people I know who have played it feel it's very much WFRP without the Warhammer World itself. Especially the 1E fans whom I trust.</p><p>My read of it says the same.</p><p></p><p>Consistency - external - the core mechanics are familiar to players of WFRP 1, 2 or 4. The setting tropes are the same as WFRP. </p><p></p><p>Consistency - internal - unified mechanic, more tightly than WFRP 1, on par with WFRP 2.</p><p></p><p>Complexity - and also continuity - the game is complexity-wise right on par with WFRP 2.</p><p></p><p>So, it's complex enough ... but not overly complex... </p><p></p><p>It is to WFRP much as Pathfinder is to D&D 3.x...</p><p></p><p>If you like WFRP 2E mechanics, you're likely to find it very similar. If you don't... avoid it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 7792846, member: 6779310"] Not that I can recall... it's just your posts often inspire mine. I do disdain D&D and Pathfinder as being sub par in many areas... but many kids games are likewise subpar, but thus more suited to kids and to casual play by adults. Kids of Catan comes to mind... simple, elegant Zweihänder is an interesting beast. I'll preface my comments by noting that I don't know who bought me my PDF, it may have been a comp by the author, I just do not know. Further, I've not run it, but have read it. That said... The tone is closer to WFRP 1E, the rules closer to 2E, but with some additional elements from elsewhere. Likewise, WFRP 4E is a hybrid of 1E and 2E, but is, in tone and presentation closer to 2E, while mechanically, equidistant from all three - WFRP1, WFRP2, and Zweihänder. Continuity - it has some with WFRP - it's a retroclone of 2E for a 1E feel, done during WFRP 3. It's as close as is practical without getting sued. The people I know who have played it feel it's very much WFRP without the Warhammer World itself. Especially the 1E fans whom I trust. My read of it says the same. Consistency - external - the core mechanics are familiar to players of WFRP 1, 2 or 4. The setting tropes are the same as WFRP. Consistency - internal - unified mechanic, more tightly than WFRP 1, on par with WFRP 2. Complexity - and also continuity - the game is complexity-wise right on par with WFRP 2. So, it's complex enough ... but not overly complex... It is to WFRP much as Pathfinder is to D&D 3.x... If you like WFRP 2E mechanics, you're likely to find it very similar. If you don't... avoid it. [/QUOTE]
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