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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8288911" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>That's fine if a system isn't for everyone, but 5e has a special revocation of excuse here. d&d had significant GM facing stuff devoted to exactly the kind of thing that [USER=7027139]@loverdrive[/USER] seemed to be talking about <strong>in the past</strong>. If you go back & look at the 2e or 3.x dmg there is a huge percentage of it aimed at supplying the gm with exactly that kind of system & game understanding. I skipped 4e so won't comment on that edition, but 5e just says rulings not rules & leaves the gm to figure it out with blind trial & error. </p><p></p><p>"5e is a different kind of game" is a bad excuse that only goes so far. Take <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/so-when-do-the-announce-the-july-book-guesses-on-what-itll-be-%F0%9F%A4%94.679574/post-8254435" target="_blank">awarding experience</a>, past editions had advice that better equips 5e gm than 5e's own anemic guidance. <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/page-10#post-8243611" target="_blank">Awarding treasure</a> is another area where past editions had extensive advice into important aspects that are not going to be immediately grasped without time & likely mistakes. For all the lip service 5e gives to rulings not rules that's another area where 5e literally <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/page-7#post-8241363" target="_blank">excised rules that aided players & gms to all be on the same page</a> when going outside the letter of existing & written rules</p><p></p><p>oh indeed, but that's sandwiched between some details on starting point buy allowances & limits then followed up with a 30ish question character quiz thing[spoiler="this"]</p><p>Character Quiz</p><p>** What are your character’s central strengths and weaknesses?</p><p></p><p>What are your character’s central strengths and weaknesses?</p><p>** What is your character’s primary emotional state?</p><p></p><p>What is your character’s primary emotional state?</p><p>** What role does your character fill in a group?</p><p></p><p>What role does your character fill in a group?</p><p>** Describe your character’s family or tribe.</p><p></p><p>Describe your character’s family or tribe.</p><p>** Who are your character’s three most valuable contacts?</p><p></p><p>Who are your character’s three most valuable contacts?</p><p>** What personal values and beliefs does your character hold?</p><p></p><p>What personal values and beliefs does your character hold?</p><p>** To whom is your character closest and why?</p><p></p><p>To whom is your character closest and why?</p><p>** What does your character need the most?</p><p></p><p>What does your character need the most?</p><p>** What are your character’s life goals?</p><p></p><p>What are your character’s life goals?</p><p>** What does your character fear the most?</p><p></p><p>What does your character fear the most?</p><p>** Describe your character’s appearance.</p><p></p><p>Describe your character’s appearance.</p><p>** How does your character define “heroism”?</p><p></p><p>How does your character define “heroism”?</p><p>** Describe your character’s hobbies, interests, desires, and likes.</p><p></p><p>Describe your character’s hobbies, interests, desires, and likes.</p><p>** What would your character do if they killed an innocent bystander?</p><p></p><p>What would your character do if they killed an innocent bystander?</p><p>** For what does your character have little patience and tolerance?</p><p></p><p>For what does your character have little patience and tolerance?</p><p>** Does your character hide any emotions in public?</p><p></p><p>Does your character hide any emotions in public?</p><p>** How does your character view death and beyond?</p><p></p><p>How does your character view death and beyond?</p><p>** What does your character dislike about themselves?</p><p></p><p>What does your character dislike about themselves?</p><p>** Describe your character’s bedroom or rest location.</p><p></p><p>Describe your character’s bedroom or rest location.</p><p>** Describe a perfect date night or other enjoyable outing.</p><p></p><p>Describe a perfect date night or other enjoyable outing.</p><p>** Describe your character’s relationship with money.</p><p></p><p>Describe your character’s relationship with money.</p><p>** Describe your character’s views on authority and the law.</p><p></p><p>Describe your character’s views on authority and the law.</p><p>** Who has impacted your character’s life direction the most?</p><p></p><p>Who has impacted your character’s life direction the most?</p><p>** How does your character view forgiveness and revenge?</p><p></p><p>How does your character view forgiveness and revenge?</p><p>** What are the origins of your character’s special abilities?</p><p></p><p>What are the origins of your character’s special abilities?</p><p>** What is the prime motivation behind your character’s actions?</p><p></p><p>What is the prime motivation behind your character’s actions?</p><p>** In which way does your character focus their personal growth?</p><p></p><p>In which way does your character focus their personal growth?</p><p>** Describe the accomplishment of which your character is most proud.</p><p></p><p>Describe the accomplishment of which your character is most proud.</p><p>** How does your character think they might die?</p><p></p><p>How does your character think they might die?</p><p>** How would your character describe themselves in a single sentence?</p><p></p><p>How would your character describe themselves in a single sentence?</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>Because of the way point buy works there is a lot more built in customization& associated advice throughout the races classes abilities & so on and those tend to have a decent chunk of guidance that's hard to avoid. Either way, even a character who rabidly avoids it will have a difficult time making the gm look like the bad guy when the gm is trying to point out what it says on a specific page.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8288911, member: 93670"] That's fine if a system isn't for everyone, but 5e has a special revocation of excuse here. d&d had significant GM facing stuff devoted to exactly the kind of thing that [USER=7027139]@loverdrive[/USER] seemed to be talking about [B]in the past[/B]. If you go back & look at the 2e or 3.x dmg there is a huge percentage of it aimed at supplying the gm with exactly that kind of system & game understanding. I skipped 4e so won't comment on that edition, but 5e just says rulings not rules & leaves the gm to figure it out with blind trial & error. "5e is a different kind of game" is a bad excuse that only goes so far. Take [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/so-when-do-the-announce-the-july-book-guesses-on-what-itll-be-%F0%9F%A4%94.679574/post-8254435']awarding experience[/URL], past editions had advice that better equips 5e gm than 5e's own anemic guidance. [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/page-10#post-8243611']Awarding treasure[/URL] is another area where past editions had extensive advice into important aspects that are not going to be immediately grasped without time & likely mistakes. For all the lip service 5e gives to rulings not rules that's another area where 5e literally [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/giving-an-ad-d-feel-to-5e.679228/page-7#post-8241363']excised rules that aided players & gms to all be on the same page[/URL] when going outside the letter of existing & written rules oh indeed, but that's sandwiched between some details on starting point buy allowances & limits then followed up with a 30ish question character quiz thing[spoiler="this"] Character Quiz ** What are your character’s central strengths and weaknesses? What are your character’s central strengths and weaknesses? ** What is your character’s primary emotional state? What is your character’s primary emotional state? ** What role does your character fill in a group? What role does your character fill in a group? ** Describe your character’s family or tribe. Describe your character’s family or tribe. ** Who are your character’s three most valuable contacts? Who are your character’s three most valuable contacts? ** What personal values and beliefs does your character hold? What personal values and beliefs does your character hold? ** To whom is your character closest and why? To whom is your character closest and why? ** What does your character need the most? What does your character need the most? ** What are your character’s life goals? What are your character’s life goals? ** What does your character fear the most? What does your character fear the most? ** Describe your character’s appearance. Describe your character’s appearance. ** How does your character define “heroism”? How does your character define “heroism”? ** Describe your character’s hobbies, interests, desires, and likes. Describe your character’s hobbies, interests, desires, and likes. ** What would your character do if they killed an innocent bystander? What would your character do if they killed an innocent bystander? ** For what does your character have little patience and tolerance? For what does your character have little patience and tolerance? ** Does your character hide any emotions in public? Does your character hide any emotions in public? ** How does your character view death and beyond? How does your character view death and beyond? ** What does your character dislike about themselves? What does your character dislike about themselves? ** Describe your character’s bedroom or rest location. Describe your character’s bedroom or rest location. ** Describe a perfect date night or other enjoyable outing. Describe a perfect date night or other enjoyable outing. ** Describe your character’s relationship with money. Describe your character’s relationship with money. ** Describe your character’s views on authority and the law. Describe your character’s views on authority and the law. ** Who has impacted your character’s life direction the most? Who has impacted your character’s life direction the most? ** How does your character view forgiveness and revenge? How does your character view forgiveness and revenge? ** What are the origins of your character’s special abilities? What are the origins of your character’s special abilities? ** What is the prime motivation behind your character’s actions? What is the prime motivation behind your character’s actions? ** In which way does your character focus their personal growth? In which way does your character focus their personal growth? ** Describe the accomplishment of which your character is most proud. Describe the accomplishment of which your character is most proud. ** How does your character think they might die? How does your character think they might die? ** How would your character describe themselves in a single sentence? How would your character describe themselves in a single sentence? [/spoiler] Because of the way point buy works there is a lot more built in customization& associated advice throughout the races classes abilities & so on and those tend to have a decent chunk of guidance that's hard to avoid. Either way, even a character who rabidly avoids it will have a difficult time making the gm look like the bad guy when the gm is trying to point out what it says on a specific page. [/QUOTE]
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