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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8179307" data-attributes="member: 16814">My bad, was your post accusing unnamed others of wankery an attempt to keep the post on an even keel and to facilitate conversation?&nbsp; This must be one of those &quot;theme&quot; things I heard about, where words' meanings are opaque and misunderstood, because, to me, it's never useful to conversation to call others, unnamed or not, passive-aggressive wankers.&nbsp; Unless, of course, the conversation you wish to facilitate it excluding specific points of view?&nbsp; If only there were a term for that....And, &quot;people&quot; have very clearly engage the definitional work in the OP.&nbsp; I certainly have, and not in a rancorous way -- I pointed out where I disagreed and how some of the underpinning assumptions are so broad as to make that bullet non-definitional at all.&nbsp; If &quot;advancement&quot; is as broad as [USER=30518]@lewpuls[/USER] stated, then it's not useful because it encompasses so much that it's almost always true.&nbsp; That's not useful to definition, nor is it specific.&nbsp; It also rules out games like My Life With Master, which does escape any form of advancement in the way defined, but is, clearly, an RPG.And as for ignorant commentary, I still haven't seen any particulars on what, exactly, is supposed to be ignorant (rather than, you now, disagreement).&nbsp; It's almost as if the charge is meant to shut down discussion on topics people don't want examined.&nbsp; I've seen a lot of good comments in this thread, many of which disagree with the OP, so, then, which are ignorant?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8179307, member: 16814"] My bad, was your post accusing unnamed others of wankery an attempt to keep the post on an even keel and to facilitate conversation? This must be one of those "theme" things I heard about, where words' meanings are opaque and misunderstood, because, to me, it's never useful to conversation to call others, unnamed or not, passive-aggressive wankers. Unless, of course, the conversation you wish to facilitate it excluding specific points of view? If only there were a term for that.... And, "people" have very clearly engage the definitional work in the OP. I certainly have, and not in a rancorous way -- I pointed out where I disagreed and how some of the underpinning assumptions are so broad as to make that bullet non-definitional at all. If "advancement" is as broad as [USER=30518]@lewpuls[/USER] stated, then it's not useful because it encompasses so much that it's almost always true. That's not useful to definition, nor is it specific. It also rules out games like My Life With Master, which does escape any form of advancement in the way defined, but is, clearly, an RPG. And as for ignorant commentary, I still haven't seen any particulars on what, exactly, is supposed to be ignorant (rather than, you now, disagreement). It's almost as if the charge is meant to shut down discussion on topics people don't want examined. I've seen a lot of good comments in this thread, many of which disagree with the OP, so, then, which are ignorant? [/QUOTE]

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