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<blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 8187494" data-attributes="member: 3400">Value laden connotations abound here. Some characters may have an easier route to higher values, that doesn't necessarily make their options better if you're set on playing a barbarian for other reasons and yet still want to be better at intimidation (particularly being as good at it as a barbarian who had the luck to have a significantly higher charisma) than you would be if you hadn't bought the feat.I don't agree that the game appeared to present the goal of being impressive at intimidation as realistic when it was doomed to failure. That character might still be impressive at intimidation - just on a somewhat more expensive path to it (which is OK - the game doesn't need to be played with a style of maximizing bonuses) than someone else on a different path.So it may not be the highest degree of optimization, but I wouldn't characterize non-optimal as being a trap. There's no deception going on here suckering a mark into a poor choice. You might have opted for a more efficient choice with something else, but the choice made here isn't necessarily bad. And in other circumstances, particularly ones where simpler characters without a lot of conditional stuff to have to remember are preferred (just to name an example), the feat may be a perfectly fine choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="billd91, post: 8187494, member: 3400"] Value laden connotations abound here. Some characters may have an easier route to higher values, that doesn't necessarily make their options better if you're set on playing a barbarian for other reasons and yet still want to be better at intimidation (particularly being as good at it as a barbarian who had the luck to have a significantly higher charisma) than you would be if you hadn't bought the feat. I don't agree that the game appeared to present the goal of being impressive at intimidation as realistic when it was doomed to failure. That character might still be impressive at intimidation - just on a somewhat more expensive path to it (which is OK - the game doesn't need to be played with a style of maximizing bonuses) than someone else on a different path. So it may not be the highest degree of optimization, but I wouldn't characterize non-optimal as being a trap. There's no deception going on here suckering a mark into a poor choice. You might have opted for a more efficient choice with something else, but the choice made here isn't necessarily bad. And in other circumstances, particularly ones where simpler characters without a lot of conditional stuff to have to remember are preferred (just to name an example), the feat may be a perfectly fine choice. [/QUOTE]

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