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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 3258034" data-attributes="member: 5889">I completely disagree with this.There are not a lot of ways to get SR, not competitive SR at any rate,&nbsp; and at high levels its the only thing stopping many spells.And I don't get this saves are so high vs DCs I keep hearing. 20th level fighter. +5 cloak of res, 12 wis base, +6 wis item. That's a will save of +15.A minimum int 9th level spell is DC 23, and that's before ANY spell focus or int items or anything. That's just a wizard coming out in his pajamas and dominating said fighter. that's a 35% chance the fighter turns on the party and goes to town.Now if we are talking an actual wizard at that level, then we are talking about an int of closer to 28 (17 base, +5 for levels, +6 int item), so a DC 28.At that levels, these aren't effect where you save or take some damage or feel bad. Its save or you are done for the combat, or most likely, need to get ressed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 3258034, member: 5889"] I completely disagree with this. There are not a lot of ways to get SR, not competitive SR at any rate, and at high levels its the only thing stopping many spells. And I don't get this saves are so high vs DCs I keep hearing. 20th level fighter. +5 cloak of res, 12 wis base, +6 wis item. That's a will save of +15. A minimum int 9th level spell is DC 23, and that's before ANY spell focus or int items or anything. That's just a wizard coming out in his pajamas and dominating said fighter. that's a 35% chance the fighter turns on the party and goes to town. Now if we are talking an actual wizard at that level, then we are talking about an int of closer to 28 (17 base, +5 for levels, +6 int item), so a DC 28. At that levels, these aren't effect where you save or take some damage or feel bad. Its save or you are done for the combat, or most likely, need to get ressed. [/QUOTE]

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