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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 1294051" data-attributes="member: 10177"><p>Darrin,</p><p></p><p>I would guess that his real problem with such books is that so many of them were/are broken. H eprobably creates his own stuff, since it is nearly the same amount of work to re-write a broken PrC, and doing your own will be completely tailor made to that particualr DM's campaign.</p><p></p><p>I think that is why I buy a lot of stuff, why anyone in this hobby buys a lot of gaming material. We know very well that we are going to ignore as much as 100% of it. Sometimes you find that one idea that makes the whole book worth buying. Fortunately, i typically find a lot more ideas than that. I don't think there is a single non-module product out there that i have used more than 70% of, other than probably the PH and DMG.</p><p></p><p>Take Oathbound for instance. I like it. I will eventually use it. I doubt I will use more than 30% of the original concept in my version though. That is fine with me. I buy everything expecting less than half of it being something I will use.</p><p></p><p>Another example. Those items of power books for swords, rings, etc... Overall, they sucked, IMO. However, I liked enough of the background histories and enough of the actual items to make it worth my while to have two of the books.</p><p>Otherwise they had lame background histories and/or the items were too powerful for a game below 15th level. A lot of them seemed to be for an Epic level game. Some were useless/unacceptable to me.</p><p></p><p>Even modules are the same for me. I expect to rewrite a large amount of their content. There have been a fair number of them, especially from Necromancer, where I have re-written less than 10% of the original content.</p><p></p><p>So, i guess I am easier to please than most. </p><p></p><p>But I am also very critical of crappy material and practices. My biggest problem with 3.5 is that WOTC's very first announcement about it was an outright lie. I don't like liars. I definitely don't like to give money to people who lie to me. That is why I have bought nothing 3.5 that would go into WOTC's pocketbook. Any purchase I have made was from someone's personal stuff. As it is I have only purchased two 3.5 products, and none of them are the core books.</p><p></p><p>Besides, everything in 3.0 that was broken was already fixed by me. I didn't, and don't, need WOTC to tell me how to fix game mechanics. Only those who participate in the Cons and other official games would need to have the 3.5 books. I am not one of those. I have the SRD. I have printed out what fixes I want to use, which is mostly just the class fixes. </p><p></p><p>All the other fixes are handled by me to my own satisfaction. If I ever decide to participate in "official" games I will consider buying the 3.5 books then. By then I should be able to easily find used books somewhere.</p><p></p><p>I am happy with most of what is put out by the other publishers. What I don't like I don't buy. That is the most meaningful expression of our opinions anyway.</p><p>Of course that leaves the ones who put out good material but aren't bought by me in the dark as to why, though. Their "style" and mine do not mesh well. For an example that is why I do not buy Monte's stuff. It is good and very mineable. But our styles are far to different for me to mine much of his ideas. I did buy his eldritch book for Bards, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 1294051, member: 10177"] Darrin, I would guess that his real problem with such books is that so many of them were/are broken. H eprobably creates his own stuff, since it is nearly the same amount of work to re-write a broken PrC, and doing your own will be completely tailor made to that particualr DM's campaign. I think that is why I buy a lot of stuff, why anyone in this hobby buys a lot of gaming material. We know very well that we are going to ignore as much as 100% of it. Sometimes you find that one idea that makes the whole book worth buying. Fortunately, i typically find a lot more ideas than that. I don't think there is a single non-module product out there that i have used more than 70% of, other than probably the PH and DMG. Take Oathbound for instance. I like it. I will eventually use it. I doubt I will use more than 30% of the original concept in my version though. That is fine with me. I buy everything expecting less than half of it being something I will use. Another example. Those items of power books for swords, rings, etc... Overall, they sucked, IMO. However, I liked enough of the background histories and enough of the actual items to make it worth my while to have two of the books. Otherwise they had lame background histories and/or the items were too powerful for a game below 15th level. A lot of them seemed to be for an Epic level game. Some were useless/unacceptable to me. Even modules are the same for me. I expect to rewrite a large amount of their content. There have been a fair number of them, especially from Necromancer, where I have re-written less than 10% of the original content. So, i guess I am easier to please than most. But I am also very critical of crappy material and practices. My biggest problem with 3.5 is that WOTC's very first announcement about it was an outright lie. I don't like liars. I definitely don't like to give money to people who lie to me. That is why I have bought nothing 3.5 that would go into WOTC's pocketbook. Any purchase I have made was from someone's personal stuff. As it is I have only purchased two 3.5 products, and none of them are the core books. Besides, everything in 3.0 that was broken was already fixed by me. I didn't, and don't, need WOTC to tell me how to fix game mechanics. Only those who participate in the Cons and other official games would need to have the 3.5 books. I am not one of those. I have the SRD. I have printed out what fixes I want to use, which is mostly just the class fixes. All the other fixes are handled by me to my own satisfaction. If I ever decide to participate in "official" games I will consider buying the 3.5 books then. By then I should be able to easily find used books somewhere. I am happy with most of what is put out by the other publishers. What I don't like I don't buy. That is the most meaningful expression of our opinions anyway. Of course that leaves the ones who put out good material but aren't bought by me in the dark as to why, though. Their "style" and mine do not mesh well. For an example that is why I do not buy Monte's stuff. It is good and very mineable. But our styles are far to different for me to mine much of his ideas. I did buy his eldritch book for Bards, though. [/QUOTE]
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