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<blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4659599" data-attributes="member: 1054"><p>Well, that's why we collect data points to test a hypothesis. I based my claim on the fact that there's two areas of game design where 4e developers have said, in essence, &quot;People are playing somewhat differently than we do/expected them to&quot;, specifically, the way skill challenges were being handled and the &quot;whiff factor&quot; (&quot;to hit&quot; bonuses are seen as less valuable than other choices in Actual Play vs. how developers played), so, I figured, why not a third? All I can say is that as of 4th (nearly 5th) level in our game (Paladin, Artificer, Ranger, Rogue, Wizard), the Wizard is consistently the least useful EXCEPT if there's minions -- and then, he's useful just until the minions go. His &quot;battlefield control&quot; spells are rarely a meaningful hindrance, and his direct damage is low and made worse by constantly missing. He's actually more useful OUT of combat due to a lot of knowledge skills and a high Charisma coupled with social skills -- he's our party spokesman and negotiator.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Lizard, post: 4659599, member: 1054"] Well, that's why we collect data points to test a hypothesis. I based my claim on the fact that there's two areas of game design where 4e developers have said, in essence, "People are playing somewhat differently than we do/expected them to", specifically, the way skill challenges were being handled and the "whiff factor" ("to hit" bonuses are seen as less valuable than other choices in Actual Play vs. how developers played), so, I figured, why not a third? All I can say is that as of 4th (nearly 5th) level in our game (Paladin, Artificer, Ranger, Rogue, Wizard), the Wizard is consistently the least useful EXCEPT if there's minions -- and then, he's useful just until the minions go. His "battlefield control" spells are rarely a meaningful hindrance, and his direct damage is low and made worse by constantly missing. He's actually more useful OUT of combat due to a lot of knowledge skills and a high Charisma coupled with social skills -- he's our party spokesman and negotiator. [/QUOTE]

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