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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8023303" data-attributes="member: 18">If you're not going to concede that many people don't read the same passage as meaning that, and going to use explicitly false examples like &quot;leap to the moon&quot; (leaping is explicitly covered in 5E), then I don't feel like you're interested in discussing this is good faith, mate. If you think those people do understand it their way, but believe they are wrong to do so and are willing to limit yourself to real examples, then it's worth discussing.The key issue you're glossing over too is &quot;your PC&quot; vs. &quot;a PC&quot;. It's not that &quot;your PC&quot; can't convince the King to hand over his kingdom. That's wrong. It's that no PC can convince him. Thus you don't allow anyone a check. It's not that you say &quot;Okay you, Bard, might convince him, so roll, but Throknar cannot roll&quot;. Not RAW. The whole &quot;deciding which PCs can and cannot roll&quot; thing is absolutely house rules and not a typical reading of that passage. I daresay Jeremy Crawford would agree with me here. Crawford would certainly point out your &quot;only highest rolls&quot; thing is house-rules of a fairly serious kind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8023303, member: 18"] If you're not going to concede that many people don't read the same passage as meaning that, and going to use explicitly false examples like "leap to the moon" (leaping is explicitly covered in 5E), then I don't feel like you're interested in discussing this is good faith, mate. If you think those people do understand it their way, but believe they are wrong to do so and are willing to limit yourself to real examples, then it's worth discussing. The key issue you're glossing over too is "your PC" vs. "a PC". It's not that "your PC" can't convince the King to hand over his kingdom. That's wrong. It's that [B]no [/B]PC can convince him. Thus you don't allow anyone a check. It's not that you say "Okay you, Bard, might convince him, so roll, but Throknar cannot roll". Not RAW. The whole "deciding which PCs can and cannot roll" thing is absolutely house rules and not a typical reading of that passage. I daresay Jeremy Crawford would agree with me here. Crawford would certainly point out your "only highest rolls" thing is house-rules of a fairly serious kind. [/QUOTE]

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