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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 8024557" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Draconic has free AC and HP.&nbsp; It's a passive benefit but useful in saving using mage armor for an active slot use.4 cantrips at 1st level is good in any case for extra utility.&nbsp; Too few slots to make up the difference and CHA also tends to be more interactive than INT.Wild magic has a useful ability but the recharge method tends to be DM reliant.TWF is similar damage to several classes, the spell list is decent, they have the most versatility in skill proficiency selection, and bardic inspiration is useful.I find it's higher levels where other classes / subclasses add weapon / combat / spell benefits that bards fall behind in direct combat.&nbsp; They always help indirectly.I had a DM who used awarded levels when he wanted instead of XP advancement.&nbsp; He liked low power so low levels lasted a while.Only 4 spells is more than most spells known casters.&nbsp; With limited slots one good spell is all that's needed either way.Only clerics prep more than bards know at 1st level.&nbsp; Not having expertise doesn't mean much because most classes don't have expertise and 2 cantrips is also pretty typical.A poor standing doesn't come from not having the highest level of ability.&nbsp; It comes from low ability while bards are rather middle road at 1st level but with a few choice options.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 8024557, member: 6750235"] Draconic has free AC and HP. It's a passive benefit but useful in saving using mage armor for an active slot use. 4 cantrips at 1st level is good in any case for extra utility. Too few slots to make up the difference and CHA also tends to be more interactive than INT. Wild magic has a useful ability but the recharge method tends to be DM reliant. TWF is similar damage to several classes, the spell list is decent, they have the most versatility in skill proficiency selection, and bardic inspiration is useful. I find it's higher levels where other classes / subclasses add weapon / combat / spell benefits that bards fall behind in direct combat. They always help indirectly. I had a DM who used awarded levels when he wanted instead of XP advancement. He liked low power so low levels lasted a while. Only 4 spells is more than most spells known casters. With limited slots one good spell is all that's needed either way. Only clerics prep more than bards know at 1st level. Not having expertise doesn't mean much because most classes don't have expertise and 2 cantrips is also pretty typical. A poor standing doesn't come from not having the highest level of ability. It comes from low ability while bards are rather middle road at 1st level but with a few choice options. [/QUOTE]

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