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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 8024639" data-attributes="member: 6914290"><p>The only heavier armored full caster is the cleric.</p><p></p><p>The only spellcaster with more slots per day is the warlock (with 2+ short rests) and the wizard.</p><p></p><p>I mean, if you add up every other spellcaster into a megaclass they make the bard look bad.</p><p></p><p>And mockery is a top tier cantrip at level 1. I'd argue the best combat cantrip actually.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>And +5 will be the same modifier the other charisma casters would be bringing to the table. So the bard holds no social advantage over the other charisma casters at level 1.</p><p></p><p>The caster list vs. bard minus bardic inspiration.</p><p></p><p>Clerics- same slots. More cantrips. More prepped spells. More known spells. Med armor, shields, domain stuff.</p><p></p><p>Druids- same slots. More cantrips. Same prepped spells More known spells. Med armor, Shields.</p><p></p><p>Sorcerer- same slots. More cantrips. Fewer spells known. Sorcerous origin stuff of varying utility. (Ok. This one's worse than I thought. Lotta pressure on those cantrips and origin benefits. Maybe con save proficiency balances this better?)</p><p></p><p>Warlock- slots equal or better with at least 1 short rest. Same cantrips. Fewer spells known. Varying patron benefits.</p><p></p><p>Wizard- more slots with a short rest. More cantrips. Same prepped spells. More known spells. Less-ish AC (depends on use of mage armor which would counter balance slot difference).</p><p></p><p>Do bards get the best of most of these trades after factoring in inspiration?</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cleric..lol no</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Druid..regular no</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sorcerer.. I guess probably, but some variation based on subclass features</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Warlock..even more subclass variation to stack onto table variation(how many short rests). Inclined to call it a push leaning toward warlocks.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizards.. Closer than I'd guessed it would be. Think it depends on how 'necessary' mage armor is. The more necessary, the more in bards' favor.</li> </ul><p></p><p>tl&dr</p><p>Seems some classes were worse than I thought. Maybe bards aren't at the very bottom.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 8024639, member: 6914290"] The only heavier armored full caster is the cleric. The only spellcaster with more slots per day is the warlock (with 2+ short rests) and the wizard. I mean, if you add up every other spellcaster into a megaclass they make the bard look bad. And mockery is a top tier cantrip at level 1. I'd argue the best combat cantrip actually. [/QUOTE] And +5 will be the same modifier the other charisma casters would be bringing to the table. So the bard holds no social advantage over the other charisma casters at level 1. The caster list vs. bard minus bardic inspiration. Clerics- same slots. More cantrips. More prepped spells. More known spells. Med armor, shields, domain stuff. Druids- same slots. More cantrips. Same prepped spells More known spells. Med armor, Shields. Sorcerer- same slots. More cantrips. Fewer spells known. Sorcerous origin stuff of varying utility. (Ok. This one's worse than I thought. Lotta pressure on those cantrips and origin benefits. Maybe con save proficiency balances this better?) Warlock- slots equal or better with at least 1 short rest. Same cantrips. Fewer spells known. Varying patron benefits. Wizard- more slots with a short rest. More cantrips. Same prepped spells. More known spells. Less-ish AC (depends on use of mage armor which would counter balance slot difference). Do bards get the best of most of these trades after factoring in inspiration? [LIST] [*]Cleric..lol no [*]Druid..regular no [*]Sorcerer.. I guess probably, but some variation based on subclass features [*]Warlock..even more subclass variation to stack onto table variation(how many short rests). Inclined to call it a push leaning toward warlocks. [*]Wizards.. Closer than I'd guessed it would be. Think it depends on how 'necessary' mage armor is. The more necessary, the more in bards' favor. [/LIST] tl&dr Seems some classes were worse than I thought. Maybe bards aren't at the very bottom. [/QUOTE]
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