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<blockquote data-quote="the Lorax" data-source="post: 2293125" data-attributes="member: 27662"><p>Wow, I play a fair number of casters, and I have NEVER taken either feat for the benefit of the feat itself. I believe I have 1 character that has Combat Casting because it was a PrC requirement, and I was annoyed at having to waste the feat.</p><p></p><p>I see it like this:</p><p></p><p>I haven't played a druid in 3.x</p><p>Clerics cast before melee (buffs) or after (cures)</p><p>Wizards have high Intelligance and have the skill points to spend maxxing out Concentration</p><p>Sorcerers have nothing better to do with their skill points than max out Concentration</p><p>Bards have lots of skill points, and tend to follow the cleric model anyway.</p><p></p><p>4d6 drop the low gives us an average of 13, so I'll assume that your average caster has at least a 12 con, and thus a +1.</p><p></p><p>Any caster who intends on casting spells in melee is going to max concentration.</p><p></p><p>Casters generally have access to spells with a spell level equal to half their casting level.</p><p></p><p>At 1st level, without feats, a battle caster will have a +5 to concentration - requireing an 11 to cast his best spells on the defensive</p><p></p><p>At 3rd, w/o feats, Concentration is +7 - best spells need a 10.</p><p></p><p>At 5th, Concentration +9 - best spells need a 9</p><p></p><p>At 7th, Concentration +11 - best spells need a 8</p><p></p><p>and so on...</p><p></p><p></p><p>That is for a Cleric or Wizard. A Bard or Sorcerer fares even better, due to slower gain of spells. So for me, I find it hard to bother wasting a (rare) feat on boosting up Concentration, which by 15th level will only fail on a 1 without any Con boosting or Concentration aiding items. And if I happened to be playing a low Con caster I would prefer Skill Focus to Combat Casting - readied actions are a good thing when spell casters are around.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Lorax, post: 2293125, member: 27662"] Wow, I play a fair number of casters, and I have NEVER taken either feat for the benefit of the feat itself. I believe I have 1 character that has Combat Casting because it was a PrC requirement, and I was annoyed at having to waste the feat. I see it like this: I haven't played a druid in 3.x Clerics cast before melee (buffs) or after (cures) Wizards have high Intelligance and have the skill points to spend maxxing out Concentration Sorcerers have nothing better to do with their skill points than max out Concentration Bards have lots of skill points, and tend to follow the cleric model anyway. 4d6 drop the low gives us an average of 13, so I'll assume that your average caster has at least a 12 con, and thus a +1. Any caster who intends on casting spells in melee is going to max concentration. Casters generally have access to spells with a spell level equal to half their casting level. At 1st level, without feats, a battle caster will have a +5 to concentration - requireing an 11 to cast his best spells on the defensive At 3rd, w/o feats, Concentration is +7 - best spells need a 10. At 5th, Concentration +9 - best spells need a 9 At 7th, Concentration +11 - best spells need a 8 and so on... That is for a Cleric or Wizard. A Bard or Sorcerer fares even better, due to slower gain of spells. So for me, I find it hard to bother wasting a (rare) feat on boosting up Concentration, which by 15th level will only fail on a 1 without any Con boosting or Concentration aiding items. And if I happened to be playing a low Con caster I would prefer Skill Focus to Combat Casting - readied actions are a good thing when spell casters are around. [/QUOTE]
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