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<blockquote data-quote="sniffles" data-source="post: 2320501" data-attributes="member: 30035">I think the trance thing is trying to imitate Tolkien since his elves don't sleep, but it ends up being completely useless in actual play because it gives an elf PC no advantages over non-elves.&nbsp; You don't get to have a bonus to Listen or Spot checks at night for not being asleep (and I've never had a GM take that into consideration - my GMs always rule that trance is just like sleep), you don't get to memorize spells faster (which makes no sense to me if wizard is the elves' favored class), so the elf in the party might as well just go to sleep at night like everybody else.&nbsp; &nbsp;I also find it really annoying that there are so many prestige classes that are geared toward a particular base class, but require cross-class skills as a prerequisite.&nbsp; This means you need to choose a prestige class *at first level* so you can be sure to either put sufficient points into the appropriate abilities, or spend all your meager skill points on the required skills.&nbsp; Sometimes what happens to a character in roleplay makes a particular prestige class more appropriate than it appeared during character creation.&nbsp; But if you don't find that out until your character is 5th level and he needs 6 ranks in a cross-class skill to get into the class and he only gets 2 skill points per level...&nbsp; well it sucks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="sniffles, post: 2320501, member: 30035"] I think the trance thing is trying to imitate Tolkien since his elves don't sleep, but it ends up being completely useless in actual play because it gives an elf PC no advantages over non-elves. You don't get to have a bonus to Listen or Spot checks at night for not being asleep (and I've never had a GM take that into consideration - my GMs always rule that trance is just like sleep), you don't get to memorize spells faster (which makes no sense to me if wizard is the elves' favored class), so the elf in the party might as well just go to sleep at night like everybody else. I also find it really annoying that there are so many prestige classes that are geared toward a particular base class, but require cross-class skills as a prerequisite. This means you need to choose a prestige class *at first level* so you can be sure to either put sufficient points into the appropriate abilities, or spend all your meager skill points on the required skills. Sometimes what happens to a character in roleplay makes a particular prestige class more appropriate than it appeared during character creation. But if you don't find that out until your character is 5th level and he needs 6 ranks in a cross-class skill to get into the class and he only gets 2 skill points per level... well it sucks. [/QUOTE]

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