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Message: <blockquote data-quote="+5 Keyboard!" data-source="post: 3397148" data-attributes="member: 48586">It's a good thing I wear flame-retardant clothing when I visit these messageboards <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />. OK. First off, I am a DM and by default I usually support other DMs. I didn't know that that was what you wanted. I'm looking back over your original post that set the tone of your thread.Sorry, but this just sounded to me like artistic venting. The guy's a dork (like most of us aren't by virtue of our "dorky" game we play), he can't paint, he painted a crappy mini that won't even stand up, and you're pissed about it. That's fine. You post a picture of it, we all sound off, "Yeah, that's crap! What a dope!" end of story. There's your support.See, this is where you and your group come off sounding like the reindeer that wouldn't let poor old Rudolph join in any reindeer games. Personally, I definitely don't equate a bad mini or just not wanting to paint your mini to not bringing a character sheet. And using a die or penny for a character mini? I've played with tons of groups that do exactly that and it's not a problem. Because unless you're playing warhammer or DDM, the game is not about the thing on the table. It's about what it represents. Personally, I love using minis. I've painted hundreds over the years and am regularly complimented on mine. So, I can see where you're coming from in a way, but to take it to the extreme that it's a house rule that you must have a mini and not just that it "has to be painted" and "has to stand up" comes off really, really strict and unfun.That's pretty much where you lost some of us. Well, at least me.How can we honestly know whether you were right or wrong? In light of everything else you've said, I found myself siding with the troublemaker the first time I got to this question. The way you describe him sounds like he just wanted to play a game of D&D with you guys, but was constantly being badgered about your strict house rule about miniatures. The making a joke of everything sounds like he was just being passive-aggresive with his feelings of inadequacy he felt at your game.In most games, a guy gets booted because he's just rude, obnoxious, offensive to the other players, inconsistent in attending the game, vulgar, abrasive, argumentative, and a few others I'm forgetting (I'm going off of personal experiences with players I've booted over the years). But I had never heard of a guy getting booted because he wouldn't paint a decent miniature. To answer the question: never because it should never have to be an issue.Negative. When a guy comes to my house to play in one of my campaigns, he meets the other players, we talk about his character, we discuss how we're going to bring him into the fold, and I show him the shelves of minis and invite him to pick one out to represent his character. If he pops out a box of his own minis and pulls something out that looks like one of the original Ral Parthas that still has the crappy original Tester's paint on it that's rubbing off at the edges, well, that's his choice. If he's comfortable with it, so am I. Because only about half the time (and that's being generous) during the game is he even going to need to touch it (combat being when we even use it vs. role-playing and problem solving when we aren't even looking at the minis)."Idiot" is very subjective. Who knows? Until we hear his side of things, you've definitely been very descriptive in making him sound that way. See the fifth paragraph above.Now, having said all of that, you may have an extremely fun game that every one of your players totally has a blast being a part of and this guy just wasn't of the same mindset. Perhaps he really was just a campaign assassin. I've heard of a few of these guys that get their fun out of the game by actually ruining games. You probably knew long before the infamous pink and yellow brass-balled monkey mini incident that this guy wasn't working out. You should have probably just let him go when you first realized he wasn't a good fit with your group. Always go with your instincts. And if you have someone close to you that's a good judge of character, go with their instincts. My wife is very good at reinforcing my own tingly sense when it comes to a bad apple. She'll tell me right away at the end of a session with a new player what vibes she got from him/her. She's never been wrong yet.Anyway, that's my extra long take on what you posted for public opinion. Agree with me or light me up. Not important to me. Good luck with your game.</blockquote>

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