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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8549174" data-attributes="member: 7026617">An educated guess from experience.  Feel free to ask around this board if you think its otherwise.Why, yes, I am, because this started with the assumption that you should put your players into this whether they want it or not.   In fact, he doesn't seem to think it matters whether they had any control over getting into the situation in the first place (see his third sentence in post #111)  It makes no reference to the players buying-in to this approach, and in fact, early on he was dismissive of any players that didn't in the same post).So, yes, I said I have disdain for the view that players are supposed to share your approach as a GM and if they don't you should "train" them to, and I do.In a CoC game most people are going to know they're in a fatalistic horror campaign from the get-go.  Its really not parallel at all.  it might be if a player got into a campaign blind and didn't understand what CoC is about, but that's a degenerate case, and doesn't parallel what people expect from most fantasy campaigns and D&D in particular (as I've noted, if you don't want people to expect to be able to behave in a heroic way, don't use a bunch of fictional heroes as examples).</blockquote>