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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 439797" data-attributes="member: 527">Hmmm, I seriously dont see how these two things fit together.  If they are aware how dumb their actions were then why do they think you screwed them?  Sure, you got lucky with the dice (I assume you rolled in the open?) but thats why you play out the combat instead of just going, "its a troll and you generally beat trolls.  so you win.  do you want to search him for treasure?"  Since I obviously dont have a handle on the situation, I'll try and explain a bit more what I was thinking:If some rule in the campaign is messed up (Reincarnation, Tumble, Harm etc) *and* the players understand this fact then its pretty easy to go to them and say "I'm Rule Zero'ing this from now on.  Any objections?"  And they say, "No objections." But if they dont understand what went wrong and you say "I am increasing the CON penalty to -2 instead of -1 so you'll fear death a bit more," then they say "Nooo!  You are trying to screw us!"  And thats a problem; now the players are unhappy with their DM.  So, basically, unless the players understand that what happened is their fault then you dont have much room to manuever.  Pretty much any of the suggestions people have given (as good as they are) are going to upset your players.</blockquote>