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<blockquote data-quote="tyrlaan" data-source="post: 4841784" data-attributes="member: 20998"><p>If someone has market research to demonstrate that what product WotC is publishing is not meeting the needs of their customers, then yes I'd agree. But until there's evidence to suggest this, I personally can't consider such arguments valid. In fact, I'd suggest that WotC is very much putting the needs of their customers behind their choice of product offerings because they would be foolish not to drive their business off market research.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with this. However, I think this is a different point of contention than "WotC puts out too many things." Unless you are suggesting the content put out for 4e thus far is demonstrating a decline in quality. To prevent tangenting, such a conversation is best served in a new thread.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you feel exploited gratuitously? WotC puts out a PHB2. Is that hustling the consumer? Telling people you NEED the PHB2 is just flat out marketing/advertising. The fact is you can play 4e with just the PHB1, MM1, and DMG1. Everything else a person buys is due to personal interest and good marketing on WotC's part. </p><p></p><p>WotC has realized that a new "core" book has a larger market penetration than a new book to support a campaign setting. This isn't shady business dealings, it's just putting your money where the money is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tyrlaan, post: 4841784, member: 20998"] If someone has market research to demonstrate that what product WotC is publishing is not meeting the needs of their customers, then yes I'd agree. But until there's evidence to suggest this, I personally can't consider such arguments valid. In fact, I'd suggest that WotC is very much putting the needs of their customers behind their choice of product offerings because they would be foolish not to drive their business off market research. I agree with this. However, I think this is a different point of contention than "WotC puts out too many things." Unless you are suggesting the content put out for 4e thus far is demonstrating a decline in quality. To prevent tangenting, such a conversation is best served in a new thread. Do you feel exploited gratuitously? WotC puts out a PHB2. Is that hustling the consumer? Telling people you NEED the PHB2 is just flat out marketing/advertising. The fact is you can play 4e with just the PHB1, MM1, and DMG1. Everything else a person buys is due to personal interest and good marketing on WotC's part. WotC has realized that a new "core" book has a larger market penetration than a new book to support a campaign setting. This isn't shady business dealings, it's just putting your money where the money is. [/QUOTE]
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