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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 4842991" data-attributes="member: 5143"><p>It IS what is meant. The idea of "core" is that the game "assumes" the use of all the other core books. And not "assume" as in required. "Assume" as in most people will have this, the game will be designed around the fact that people playing the game will have picked up all the books, and so on.</p><p></p><p>You can see this in a number of design decisions. For instance:</p><p>-All races and classes in PHB1, PHB2, EPG, and FRPG are in both FR and Eberron and are referred to in the campaign specific books</p><p>-The MM1 Hydra won't be errated. Instead things like the new version of the Hydra is printed in the MM2 and it is assumed that if you want a Hydra fixed, you'll just use the one in the new book</p><p>-The power level of a class overall is balance assuming a choice of all their powers from their Power book as well as the PHB they appeared in. When problems are discovered with a class, rather than errata the powers, they simply come out with new ones that rebalance them.</p><p></p><p>Obviously Core doesn't mean required. Nothing is "required". And they are designed in such a way to be modular and easily removable. But I can tell you that when they playtest a MM5, it'll be with characters that have feats and powers from Martial Power 1, 2, 3, and 4 as well as The Great Book of Powers 1 and 2. If that means that the general power of characters has increased since the release of the PHB1, it will mean the monsters will be more powerful too.</p><p></p><p>It's the same way that when an expansion comes out for World of Warcraft, it is assumed everyone will have it. Some people won't. But if there is a new race in that expansion it IS playable in the game of WoW. It may not be playable by player X as he didn't purchase the expansion....but it is part of the game. You'll meet NPCs who refer to that race, you'll see other people playing the game who are that race, you'll see magic items in the game that refer to that race, and so on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 4842991, member: 5143"] It IS what is meant. The idea of "core" is that the game "assumes" the use of all the other core books. And not "assume" as in required. "Assume" as in most people will have this, the game will be designed around the fact that people playing the game will have picked up all the books, and so on. You can see this in a number of design decisions. For instance: -All races and classes in PHB1, PHB2, EPG, and FRPG are in both FR and Eberron and are referred to in the campaign specific books -The MM1 Hydra won't be errated. Instead things like the new version of the Hydra is printed in the MM2 and it is assumed that if you want a Hydra fixed, you'll just use the one in the new book -The power level of a class overall is balance assuming a choice of all their powers from their Power book as well as the PHB they appeared in. When problems are discovered with a class, rather than errata the powers, they simply come out with new ones that rebalance them. Obviously Core doesn't mean required. Nothing is "required". And they are designed in such a way to be modular and easily removable. But I can tell you that when they playtest a MM5, it'll be with characters that have feats and powers from Martial Power 1, 2, 3, and 4 as well as The Great Book of Powers 1 and 2. If that means that the general power of characters has increased since the release of the PHB1, it will mean the monsters will be more powerful too. It's the same way that when an expansion comes out for World of Warcraft, it is assumed everyone will have it. Some people won't. But if there is a new race in that expansion it IS playable in the game of WoW. It may not be playable by player X as he didn't purchase the expansion....but it is part of the game. You'll meet NPCs who refer to that race, you'll see other people playing the game who are that race, you'll see magic items in the game that refer to that race, and so on. [/QUOTE]
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