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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8306962" data-attributes="member: 18">I'm not sure we actually disagree. Those are two spins on the same thing to me. I don't think it could ever have lived up to its full potential because I don't think anyone at TSR cared about it or liked it enough, not even Jeff Grubb, though. And think part of the reason they didn't care about it enough (and fans didn't either) is that it was a compelling high concept, but that's where it ended - they didn't manage to make the actual setting compelling too.That makes a lot of sense, and is more like what I was expecting, given all the &quot;5E has no spelljamming rules!&quot; stuff was post-Mad Mage.Problem being that Spelljammer as of 1989 and the early 1990s was not, imho, remotely close to a &quot;solid space setting&quot;. It had some &quot;baddies&quot;, but no real compelling conflicts or stories or memorable stuff beyond simple stuff &quot;Giff were bizarrely cool!&quot; &quot;Neogi were super-creepy!&quot; &quot;The Elven Navy seem like wankers I can't understand why the book seems to think they're okay!&quot; and &quot;Space Hamsters were lolz!&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8306962, member: 18"] I'm not sure we actually disagree. Those are two spins on the same thing to me. I don't think it could ever have lived up to its full potential because I don't think anyone at TSR cared about it or liked it enough, not even Jeff Grubb, though. And think part of the reason they didn't care about it enough (and fans didn't either) is that it was a compelling [I]high concept[/I], but that's where it ended - they didn't manage to make the actual setting compelling too. That makes a lot of sense, and is more like what I was expecting, given all the "5E has no spelljamming rules!" stuff was post-Mad Mage. Problem being that Spelljammer as of 1989 and the early 1990s was not, imho, remotely close to a "solid space setting". It had some "baddies", but no real compelling conflicts or stories or memorable stuff beyond simple stuff "Giff were bizarrely cool!" "Neogi were super-creepy!" "The Elven Navy seem like wankers I can't understand why the book seems to think they're okay!" and "Space Hamsters were lolz!". [/QUOTE]

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