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<blockquote data-quote="glass" data-source="post: 8874156" data-attributes="member: 12251"><p>Sorry for the wall of quotes, but the thread exploded since last time I looked in. Reminds me of rules debates in the early 2000s.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For me, it is feeling a lot like they are trying to combine the worst features of the 3.0 => 3.5 transition and the 3.5 => 4e transition.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely not. The time to kick up a fuss is <em>now</em>, while there is still time to change WotC's plans.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If that were true, there is absolutely zero point in releasing OGL 1.1. That alone is reason to suspect that there is a way around that (or at least WotC's lawyer's believe that they have found such a way - and if they say so who is going to be able to afford to argue with them).</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Gives the middle a hug - it is feeling excluded</em> Of course the sky is not falling, we are talking elfgames not curing cancer. That said, despite the sky staying where it is, there is plenty of scope for this to be a Really Bad Thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>None announced yet. Presumably they have something in mind, but I fail to see how anything could be worth it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It affects a lot more than that. It affects the thinking of anyone who might make 50k at any point in the future, up to and including anyone who has not made a damn thing yet.</p><p></p><p></p><p>...and a non-trivial amount of space (much more than a gaming table takes up).</p><p></p><p></p><p>We absolutely know exactly that because WotC just publicly announced said intention.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Definitionally and utterly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not quite that. Algorithmic social media show you things they think you will have a strong reaction to - that includes things they think you will really like, but also things they think you will really hate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>AFAICT it makes no difference to anyone using OGL 1.0A. Obviously it would make using OGL 1.1 for such products really weird, if not <em>technically</em> impossible.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://enpublishingrpg.com/collections/level-up-advanced-5th-edition-a5e" target="_blank">Somebody kinda already did</a>. And WotC's current actions make a more direct clone all the more likely IMNSHO.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We know that that it is going to be a lot more than that, because the announcement includes telling them what you are going to sell, not just what you sold.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Beforehand" of what? We are not "before" the announcement. And "before" the license itself is, again, exactly when to kick up a fuss.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Once again, that is exactly what it equals. And not just in my opinion, the <a href="http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/licenses.html" target="_blank">Open Gaming Foundation</a> agrees with my definition. But what do they know?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="glass, post: 8874156, member: 12251"] Sorry for the wall of quotes, but the thread exploded since last time I looked in. Reminds me of rules debates in the early 2000s. For me, it is feeling a lot like they are trying to combine the worst features of the 3.0 => 3.5 transition and the 3.5 => 4e transition. Absolutely not. The time to kick up a fuss is [I]now[/I], while there is still time to change WotC's plans. If that were true, there is absolutely zero point in releasing OGL 1.1. That alone is reason to suspect that there is a way around that (or at least WotC's lawyer's believe that they have found such a way - and if they say so who is going to be able to afford to argue with them). [I]Gives the middle a hug - it is feeling excluded[/I] Of course the sky is not falling, we are talking elfgames not curing cancer. That said, despite the sky staying where it is, there is plenty of scope for this to be a Really Bad Thing. None announced yet. Presumably they have something in mind, but I fail to see how anything could be worth it. It affects a lot more than that. It affects the thinking of anyone who might make 50k at any point in the future, up to and including anyone who has not made a damn thing yet. ...and a non-trivial amount of space (much more than a gaming table takes up). We absolutely know exactly that because WotC just publicly announced said intention. Definitionally and utterly. It's not quite that. Algorithmic social media show you things they think you will have a strong reaction to - that includes things they think you will really like, but also things they think you will really hate. AFAICT it makes no difference to anyone using OGL 1.0A. Obviously it would make using OGL 1.1 for such products really weird, if not [I]technically[/I] impossible. [URL='https://enpublishingrpg.com/collections/level-up-advanced-5th-edition-a5e']Somebody kinda already did[/URL]. And WotC's current actions make a more direct clone all the more likely IMNSHO. We know that that it is going to be a lot more than that, because the announcement includes telling them what you are going to sell, not just what you sold. "Beforehand" of what? We are not "before" the announcement. And "before" the license itself is, again, exactly when to kick up a fuss. Once again, that is exactly what it equals. And not just in my opinion, the [URL='http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/licenses.html']Open Gaming Foundation[/URL] agrees with my definition. But what do they know? [/QUOTE]
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